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still flying UAL 175 in FlightExplorer revisited
Topic Started: Feb 24 2010, 01:56 PM (6,178 Views)
seatnineb

We all remember flight explorer depicting flight 175 still flying nearly an hour and a half after it crashed.

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on 911taboo...matt did a nice analysis of the other planes that flight explorer also showed were still in the air at the same time(approx 10:27am)

Well it seems they were all small planes:

Take N175F :

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If you go on this web site:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Inquiry.aspx


... and type in the N number...in this case N175F...

you get this:


Serial Number:55494
Owner:BATES JAMES H
PO BOX 1646
ALTURAS , CA 96101-1646
Aircraft Manufacturer:CESSNA
Aircraft Model:175
Number of Engines:1
Type of Engines:Reciprocating
Number of Seats:4
Average Cruise Speed:105
Aircraft Wight:CLASS 1
Year of Manufacture:1958


For this plane i typed in N303FZ(which was what Matt thought it was):
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and got this:


Serial Number:218
Owner:AVIATION TRANSPORT SOLUTIONS LLC
102 PLUM RIDGE WAY
SELLERSBURG , IN 47172-9089
Aircraft Manufacturer:DASSAULT
Aircraft Model:FALCON 100
Number of Engines:2
Type of Engines:Turbo jet
Number of Seats:8
Average Cruise Speed:0
Aircraft Wight:CLASS 2
Year of Manufacture:1989
http://flightwise.com/s/ref/nnl.aspx

The thing is that the msnbc anchor/journalist claims in the video at 3:21:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MSTS1#p/u/176/-fNloyNL88w

that he is using some kind of filter to make flight explorer show only commercial flights.....

well it shows the 1 commercial flight.....flight 175 which is supposedly destroyed nearly 1 and 1/2 hours prior to this point!.....everything else that he clicks on appear to be small private planes...

Gonna be adding to this thread as i go along










Edited by seatnineb, Feb 24 2010, 02:12 PM.
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seatnineb


So if the flight explorer plane graphic is to be trusted in terms of accurate geographical representation....fl175 was somewhere over connecticut......

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...according to google maps that area has variouse military bases of different denominations:

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Global Data Feeds – An extensive and expanding source of global data provides real-time flight tracking information around the world via Airservices Australia’s radar data feed, the United States FAA’s ASDI FEED for IFR traffic,Airways New Zealand IFR traffic, international radar feeds,Honeywell GDC datalink, ARINC Direct datalink,ACARS, SITA, and satellite/GPS tracking.
http://www.flightexplorer.com/au/FE_Pro7_Australia.pdf



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The ASDI data feed contains information for flights controlled by air traffic control. Pilots file a flight plan with air traffic control before take off. The flight plan contains information such as the expected departure time, route and arrival time. Once the flight departs, information about the position, altitude and speed of the flight as well as estimates on arrival times are published. The departure and arrival times are runway times. For example, the departure time is the time the flight left the runway. The ASDI data feed does not publish the gate times (the time the plane's door is shut at the gate or the time the plane's door is opened on arrival). For security reasons the information published on the ASDI feed is delayed for 5 minutes.


A flight tracker tool interprets the information from the ASDI feed and then relays the information to the user. A flight tracker tool also has to fill in some of the holes. For example, there is typically, but not always, a message sent on departure. In the cases where that message is not sent, a flight tracker tool needs to make a best guess about the actual departure time. The same goes for arrival times. This is why you might see discrepancies between two different flight tracker tools.
http://www.futurastudios.com/flight-tracker.html

Edited by seatnineb, Feb 24 2010, 03:38 PM.
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ETMS is the system used by our Traffic Management Personnel to predict, on national and local scales, traffic surges, gaps, and volume based on current and anticipated airborne aircraft. Traffic Management Personnel evaluate the projected flow of traffic into airports and sectors, then implement the least restrictive action necessary to ensure that traffic demand does not exceed system capacity.
http://www.fly.faa.gov/Products/Information/ETMS/etms.html


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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) uses the Enhanced Traffic Management System (ETMS) at the Air Traffic Control System Command Center (ATCSCC), the Air Route Traffic Control Centers (ARTCCs), and major Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) facilities to manage the flow of air traffic within the National Airspace System (NAS). Other organizations (e.g., the airlines, Department of Defense, NASA, and international sites) also have access to the ETMS software and/or data. The ETMS provides Traffic Management Specialists with tools such as Traffic Situation Display, and traffic counts for airspace sectors, airports, and fixes.
http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/etms.htm.
Edited by seatnineb, Feb 24 2010, 04:07 PM.
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http://www.sabreairlinesolutions.com/pdfs/TheExplorer_APR_2009.pdf
Edited by seatnineb, Feb 27 2010, 06:17 AM.
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Walt Kross, CEO of Flight Explorer, said, "The foundation of Flight Explorer is built on the trust that aviation professionals in the air and on the ground put in its accuracy, reliability, ease of use and hundreds of useful features.
09-20-2004
Flight Explorer Releases Enhanced Aircraft Tracking Software


Edited by seatnineb, Feb 27 2010, 07:17 AM.
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OK...this is what flight explorer was capable of BEFORE 9/11

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Cisco CEO John Chambers Demonstrates 'Flight Explorer' Aircraft Tracking Software.

Article from:
PR Newswire
Article date:
March 6, 2001

At 2001 Global Internet Summit in Fairfax, Virginia

Last month, Flight Explorer announced its latest version -- Flight Explorer 3.0 -- which provides a wide range of new features including:

* Diversion alerts and flight plan change alerts, enabling users to make
faster, better routing decisions


* Animated weather
* Distance and bearing tools to aid in changing routes "on the fly"
* "My Fleet" feature. Enables users to track a select group of aircraft
* Expanded airport information with integration of Cellular Pilot(TM)
data.
* Enhanced Look-up/Go-to function that allows users to enter a name or
code of an airport, flight, FAA region, sector or facility (radar) and
then get detailed information or have the screen center automatically
on the object.

About Flight Explorer

Flight Explorer is the world's leading provider of Internet-based, real- time, flight tracking information. It produces the industry's best real-time, Internet-delivered aircraft situation display. Customers include American Airlines, UPS, Federal Express, Lucent, MCI WorldCom, Raytheon, TRW and airport authorities in more than two dozen states. For more information, call 703-383-0048 or visit http://www.flightexplorer.com.










Edited by seatnineb, Feb 27 2010, 07:27 AM.
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Flight Explorer receives information from the Federal Aviation Administration's radar system to provide continuous updates on the progress of each plane in the air.
Va. Firm's Software Mapped Hijackings; Flight Explorer Uses FAA Data

Article from:
The Washington Post
Article date:
September 13, 2001
Author:
Ellen McCarthy

Edited by seatnineb, Feb 27 2010, 11:13 AM.
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Check out this video:

It is by NBC and was made to mark the 1 year 9/11 anniversary in 2002
It is called "The sky Over America".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5373490407014986726#

At the 17:50 mark...the narrator says that new york center ATC Dave Bottiglia ..who was tracking both flight 11 and flight 175 ........lost flight 175....just moments after flight 11 hit the WTC!

That is flight 175 disappeared from radar completely at roughly 8:47ish am on 9/11!

a little later...A primary target then appears on the screen of another controller called Kurt Applegate who is working adjacent to Bottiglia ...... a few more moments go by and then a transponder signal appears next to this primary target....showing it to be flight 175!....although the transponder code is different.

The catch is the above event as described in the video is not part of the official story...

The official story says that flight 175 NEVER disappeared from radar at at 8:47ish .....only that it changed its transponder code....twice.

And that is a big difference!






Edited by seatnineb, Feb 27 2010, 07:05 PM.
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this is from 1999:

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For $10 a month, people can see much the same data that an air traffic controller sees -- radar-generated position, speed and flight number, for example. The information comes over the World Wide Web and is updated every three to four seconds.


It's another example of the Web moving to the public certain information from the government that used to be out of reach. On their computer screens, people now can study company filings that formerly were available only in Securities and Exchange Commission reading rooms. Flight Explorer is one of the most impressive examples of this trend, as information generated by the Federal Aviation Administration radar system is transmitted to the Web within seconds.

The brains behind the software is a team of 20 technicians and aviation specialists led by Berry Gamblin Jr., who spent 28 years with the FAA. Gamblin's experience gave him an appreciation for the hassles that airlines and the companies that serve them -- limousine services and caterers, for instance -- go through to get accurate information about flight positions, departures and arrivals.

The Flight Explorer team spent a year writing a product that interprets and sorts live data that is fed to DIMENSIONS INTERNATIONAL from the FAA's Volpe National Transport System Center in Boston, which stores all flight information.

http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-08-02/business/17695599_1_flight-explorer-traffic-control-system-airline-trade-group.

Edited by seatnineb, Mar 2 2010, 11:54 AM.
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DIMESIONS INTERNATIONAL has combined its expertise in airspace management with its unique insight and expertise in interfacing with and acquiring data from air traffic control systems. Our commitment to delivering innovative and cost-effective solutions has resulted in the development of aviation-related products used by airports, the FAA, the Department of Defense and industryto acquire, analyze, process and display aviation data from radar systems and air traffic control computer and communications systems.
http://www.dimensionsinternational.com/core/ap/index.htm.
Edited by seatnineb, Mar 2 2010, 11:53 AM.
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Flight Explorer lets subscribers view on their computer screens the location of airborne planes in the United States, Canada and Britain. It takes raw radar data from the Federal Aviation Administration, packages it using Oracle database software and transmits it via the Internet to a graphical display.
Plane Spotting; Software Delivers Details on Flights That Might Soothe Irritated Passengers

Article from:
The Washington Post
Article date:
March 28, 2001
Author:
Neil Irwin



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John Cheng, Vice President, IT and Technical Support
Mr. Cheng is the Vice President of IT and Technical Support at Flight Explorer. Mr. Cheng is responsible for leading the Flight Explorer technical support team. He is also responsible for maintaining the Flight Explorer hardware/software/database and network environment to ensure system reliability and security. Prior to joining the Flight Explorer team, Mr. Cheng was a senior consultant for Crown Communication onsite at the FAA headquarters. In this position, he was responsible for software/system development of an ORACLE database that provided data analysis of flight information and also acted as a system administrator to support multiple FAA computer systems. Cheng has a M.S in computer science from Texas A&M University.
http://www.spoke.com/info/p6rEM0D/JohnCheng.
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Superb work as always seat ..

Keep this thread going .. your on to something here!


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seatnineb

@beat...

thanks bro....nice one....am doing my best!

check this out.....United Airlines is one of Flight Explorers customers!

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Flight Explorer is the world's leading provider of Internet-based real- time flight tracking information, reporting and display products. It produces the industry's most powerful, reliable and widely used aircraft situation display system. Regular releases of major, new customer-requested features have propelled Flight Explorer to a three-fold increase in commercial sales. Customers include American Airlines, American Eagle, UPS, FED EX, United Airlines, US Airways, Southwest Airlines, Continental Airlines, Executive Jet, DOD, FAA, AirTran Airways, Atlantic Coast Airlines, American Trans Air, Air Alaska, Avolar, Raytheon, TAG Aviation, Piedmont Hawthorne, Port Authority of New York & New Jersey, Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport, Miami International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport and airport and port authorities in more than two dozen states. For more information, call 1-866-235-6870 or visit http://www.flightexplorer.com/ .

Executive Jet, Inc. Using Flight Explorer to Track NetJets Fractional Aircraft Ownership Fleet.

Article from:
PR Newswire
Article date:
March 11, 2002


So if UAL 175 was still flying 1 1/2 hours after the crash....and UAL was using flight explorer to track UAL175...it would explain this statement they gave nearly 2 hours after it was supposed to have crashed....acccording to ABC news:


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United is also saying now that they are concerned about a further flight that apparently is still missing, flight 175. It is a Boeing 767. It was scheduled from Boston to Los Angeles. That flight apparently is still unaccounted for, according to officials from United.”
(ABC, 9/11/01 11:00 – 12:00)



this is from FOX news....dunno the time....

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on edit....the above FOX foto is definteley after10:30am cos both towers are down....






Edited by seatnineb, Mar 3 2010, 09:12 AM.
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