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| 2nd plane image perspectives | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 13 2010, 04:28 PM (797 Views) | |
| Matt | Feb 13 2010, 04:28 PM Post #1 |
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The 2nd plane image perspective coordinates -- Many thanks for the hard work of YougeneDebs. Also Achimspok helped in his video**. Also jmdewey60 - Thanks. Please help to refine the known locations, if possible, and to fill in the blanks. Here's what I have (and don't have): LIVE angles: [ -74.014739, 40.727472, "WABC - WCBS-AM Chopper880" ], [ -73.928882, 40.775984, "CBS-1 LIVE divebomber" ], [ -73.981562, 40.768982, "CBS-2 LIVE glimpse" ], [ -73.991244, 40.735678, "WNBC Chopper4" ], [ -73.985614, 40.748403, "NY1 and WB11 - Empire State Bldg" ], [ -74.080100, 40.748041, "WNYW Chopper5" ], Network angles, not LIVE: [ -73.972781, 40.763595, "CBS-3 9:05am at GM Building" ], [ -73.993843, 40.751951, "CNN 9:10 - 5 Penn Plaza" ], [ -74.056667, 40.754092, "Marta chopper" ], [ -73.979464, 40.758956, "WNBC Leaning Towers - GE Building" ], Amateurs televised 9/11 - 9/14: [ -73.960992, 40.729264, "BBC World" ], [ -73.997906, 40.732089, "CBS11 approximate" ], Clifton Cloud? [ -74.015817, 40.709083, "Luc Courchesne" ], [ -74.011906, 40.709742, "Evan Fairbanks" ], [ -73.994422, 40.690908, "Park Foreman" ], "Gamma Press"? [ -74.01685, 40.702286, "Michael Hezarkhani" ], History/NBC East?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16zCgMk58QA [ -74.052578, 40.724059, "Jersey Shore" ] [ -73.992437, 40.688442, "Naka Nathaniel" ] [ -73.998633, 40.708562, "PAX-TV" ] [ -73.956989, 40.744339, "Ronald Pordy" ] [ -74.004342, 40.686375, "Jen S." ] [ -73.966911, 40.70775, "Tinacart 1" ], Amateurs not Televised 9/11 - 9/14 [ -73.993161, 40.721581, "Luis Alonso" ], [ -73.994125, 40.704294, "Brooklyn Bridge" ], [ -73.993056, 40.751389, "Devin Clark" ], [ -73.987219, 40.699581, "Columbine" ], [ -73.666072, 40.725992, "Earthstation" ], [ -73.947836, 40.673167, "Brian Gately" ], [ -73.715006, 40.757455, "Fred Hadley" ], "History Channel West" ? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_annb72U0 [ -74.014887, 40.705477, "Pavel Hlava" ], Manos.com [ -74.009135, 40.709858, Scott Myers" ], [ -74.010012, 40.712135, "Gedeon Naudet" ], [ -73.99796, 40.678397, "Penttbom BnW - Smokefloat" ], -- thanks, jmdewey60 Penttbom Crane Penttbom End of the World [ -74.011057, 40.710288, "Gary Pollard" ], [ -74.039786, 40.710953, "RocerNY" ], Shizzzham [ -73.971575, 40.675278, "Spiegel TV" ], Peter Strid SY01 [ -73.990197, 40.732972, "Techmac" ], [ -73.950522, 40.713011, "Tinacart 2" ], That is all 49 angles (NY1 and WB11 Metrocam are so close they are the same coordinates, for now...) Find the airplane videos on my channel CTV911. Search there by first name or by using names listed in detail at http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html ... where broken video links have been mostly corrected, I hope. The coordinate format is backwards for Google maps search, but correct for the Cloudmade API, which I used for the 2nd hit plane photographers map -- These being the coordinates for area plane photographers (and Yuri's Cessna): [ -73.973069, 40.737897, "Sean Adair" ], [ -73.994081, 40.723667, "Jane Barrer" ], [ -73.948122, 40.714789, "Moshe Bursuker" ], [ -74.071422, 40.686289, "Kathy Cacicedo" ], [ -73.966911, 40.70775, "Robert Clark" ], [ -74.007167, 40.741911, "Anthony Cotsifas" ], [ -74.015589, 40.673072, "Luke Cremin" ], [ -74.223164, 40.832408, "Robert A. Cumins" ], Diez? [ -73.997981, 40.735889, "Robert J. Fisch" ], [ -73.998139, 40.695719, "Kelly Guenther" ], [ -73.992789, 40.718253, "hereisnewyork.org #1230" ], [ -74.026281, 40.742989, "hereisnewyork.org #5185" ], [ -74.031403, 40.726244, "hereisnewyork.org #7500" ], [ -74.01185, 40.707233, "Rob Howard" ], [ -74.024429, 40.743548, "Dan Joyce" ], [ -73.993717, 40.692033, "William Kratzke" ], [ -74.032085, 40.727139, "Masatomo Kuriya" ], [ -73.985447, 40.768978, "Seth McAllister" ], [ -74.013161, 40.702986, "William D. Nunez" ], [ -74.022806, 40.760069, "Paul-M" ], [ -73.997958, 40.694172, "Officer L. Perez" ], Radified? [ -74.022708, 40.734353, "Russian Pilot" ], [ -74.016836, 40.702225, "Carmen Taylor" ], [ -74.004099, 40.661466, "Joe Vazquez" ], [ -74.004328, 40.712703, "Joseph P. Whistler" ], ]; Also, if anybody knows javascript and would like to help add links and popup info windows to the map markers, please do so! Here's the html code to use to create your own embeddable map using the above array: http://developers.cloudmade.com/wiki/5/Markers_from_array -- You will need an APIKEY from Cloudmade, which is free. ** note that Achimspok already knows about the incorrect coordinates for Tinacart 1 in his video. To re-render his video would be a pain, and the problem is corrected here. on edit, adding coordinates for WABC - WCBS-AM Chopper880, "CBS11" amateur, Techmac... thanks Achimspok. another edit, added Scott Myers - 12 John St. - and Gedeon Naudet - Church and Vesey another edit: added Jen S. Thanks, Debs! Edited by Matt, Apr 25 2010, 01:31 AM.
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| Matt | Feb 13 2010, 04:31 PM Post #2 |
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Questions I have: 1) What FOX helicopter shot the "Marta" footage? 2) What chopper shot the "Earthstation" footage? |
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| YougeneDebs | Feb 13 2010, 08:37 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks, Matt, for starting this thread. Your questions are interesting! Also, "Earth Station" could have been from a plane; you know, another "Cessna flyer", like Yury. I'll keep my eyes peeled! |
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| heidimarie | Feb 14 2010, 03:13 PM Post #4 |
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Matt and Debs... So much has been done to determine locations and positions of cameras. I don't understand the meaning of Matt's numbers referring to my photos ([ -74.016836, 40.702225, "Carmen Taylor" ]) and hope the work both of you and others have done can help me understand my pictures better. According to some, 175 approached from behind me. This seems to be confirmed by Mike H (and others aboard the ferry) who said it came from behind them (and me) and flew low directly over their heads. If this is the case, I could not have seen 175 approaching from my left, anticipated its destination, set up my shot, held my camera still for 175's intersection with the South Tower while I watched it approach--and then pressed the shutter when it got where I anticipated it going. This is a mystery I would like to solve! On my thread, I sketched myself seated on the ferry 1) watching 175 approaching, and 2) taking the picture. Confusing! tgc C PS Happy Valentine's Day! Edited by heidimarie, Feb 14 2010, 03:14 PM.
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| Matt | Feb 15 2010, 03:04 AM Post #5 |
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Hi Carmen. Those numbers put you here when you took the photo (the green arrow). Does that look about right? |
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| heidimarie | Feb 15 2010, 08:34 AM Post #6 |
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OK, Matt...have seen that location mark previously...now, my question again: With me sitting at the "pointy" end of the ferry, body facing the "pointy" end...I turn my head slightly to my right directly toward the Towers, and slightly to my left and watch 175 approach (without it leaving my range of vision). How does this relate to the approach of 175 vs my position? Thanks for your help. tgc c |
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| Matt | Feb 15 2010, 09:18 PM Post #7 |
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Hi! It sounds like we have your position pinned within a few feet. Plane coming toward you on your 9-10 o'clock position. WTC on your 2 o'clock, or so. |
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