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9/11 Physics Hit Piece for Readers
Topic Started: Nov 8 2009, 09:07 AM (192 Views)
Matt
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The book is titled Physics for Future Presidents. Copyright 2008. I saw it today in the new paperbacks section of the bookstore.

I figured 9/11 had to be addressed, considering the title. I was right! Chapter 1. Linked above.
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broken sticks
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the link says "No preview available" :(
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Matt
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How odd. Try some other ones: http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Physics+for+Future+Presidents%22&btnG=Search+Books
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elephant room
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here are the jpgs.
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Attachments: 911_chapter_physicsforfuture.zip (821.54 KB)
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elephant room
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anyone see anything interesting on the cover?
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Yougenedebs
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don't mench in it....
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Matt
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my email to the author
 

Dear Mr. Muller,

Greetings from a conspiracy theorist who disagrees with your introductory chapter on 9/11.

Do you really agree with what you wrote? That the WTC buildings collapsed because of the fires? I hope you do, so that now I won't be contacting an agent of the true perpetrators!

Perhaps you have studied the volumes published by NIST, and found the errors and omissions negligible. Example of error: The second plane to hit the WTC struck the tower not at a 13 degree angle (which would more easily explain the starboard engine exiting the NE corner of the building), but rather very nearly perpendicular to the face. (Your statement belittling the unlikely precision with which the pilot guided the plane into the tower is called into question. Please see the detailed flight path study here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDtwOR-3wQ .) Note also that the 1st plane hit within 1 meter of the center column. Moreover, "Flight 11" impacted floors that had been upgraded during recent construction (as did the 2nd plane) - http://www.911blogger.com/node/13272 .

I encourage you to watch video of the North Tower "collapsing" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acTcwA_YHuA - and to concentrate on the dust jet that develops on the west side before any piston/air pressure effect could possibly be the cause. Then you should take a good look at Ground Zero-- the quality and quantity of the dust made from glass, metal and stone. Please see the first parts of my video called "9/11 Debris" -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHJ2e6FnKxE -- and Thank You for your time considering this.

I picked up your book today (not purchased) because I figured 9/11 would have to be addressed, considering your title. My excitement to see such a mainstream work of nonfiction supporting the "inside job" thesis, obviously, was unfounded. Nevertheless, I cling to hopes that your physics expertise will discover - and help expose - the truth hidden behind the difficult psychological and social forces that guided your pen.

Again-- thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
Matt Nelson
http://www.911conspiracy.tv


Hours later....

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Dear Matt,

Thanks for your comments. I hope you don't find your disagreement
with my 911 analysis to discredit the rest of the book in your eyes.

Yes, I really do think the collapse was caused by fire. The energy
released by the fuel was greater than that in the bigger of the North
Korean Nuclear tests. Jet fuel has 15x the energy per pound of TNT.

Buildings are carefully not overbuilt, because it would be dangerous
to make them a lot heavier. So they typically have a safety factor of
1.8. Steel loses half of its strength at 600C. It doesn't have to
soften or melt -- it just gets weak. The remaining fuel in the
building was more than sufficient to cause this much heating, and
after that, the top of the building came down like a pile driver.

Fire is more destructive than an explosion, because it is slow and
steady. In an explosion, most of the energy flies out and is wasted.

I appreciate your respectful disagreement.

Best wishes,

Richard A. Muller
Professor of Physics
U. Calif. Berkeley
ramuller@lbl.gov
www.muller.lbl.gov
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Matt
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elephant room
Nov 8 2009, 07:10 PM
here are the jpgs.
Thanks, ER!

(link)
Edited by Matt, Nov 8 2009, 09:47 PM.
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chrisbornag

Muller's eMail and website are sponsored by the gov., his boss:

Berkeley Lab, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. U.S. Department of Energy.
A U.S. Department of Energy National Laboratory Operated by the University of California.
http://www.lbl.gov

He considers his book as 'popular' (hence, disinfo for the masses): New popular book (not textbook) "Physics for future Presidents."
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peterene

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Yes, I really do think the collapse was caused by fire. The energy
released by the fuel was greater than that in the bigger of the North
Korean Nuclear tests. Jet fuel has 15x the energy per pound of TNT.



False on all counts.

NIST based data show us that the fires peaked around 1GW.

The fire in the ST lasted 56 minutes.

Thus the generated energy was around 3 TJ, that translates into roughly 750 tons of TNT or 0,75 kt. Now, the NK test was 4 kt.

Jet fuel releases only about 12 times more energy than TNT, office material is half as good.

The rest of the article is such a nonsense-bable that I will not try to debunk it.

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achimspok

That is some funny Greening style physics.
I completely miss the loss of energy during that slow release of what ever amount of energy (due to wind, due to thermal conductivity, due to bad burning processes due to a lack of oxygene...) I miss the amount of kerosene for that statement since FEMA and NIST overestimated the remaining amount for some 1000 gal. A good point to start with would be the estimation of the average temperature and the necessary amount of fuel to generate a 400000m² fireball (black smoke).
That amount burnt away in 9 seconds! ...and should be subtracted from the estimated fuel of the airplanes that fell into the basement and exploded below the elevator cabins (and also above of the cabins at the 22nd floor where it destroyed the roof excess, the communication system and so on). We talk about that magic fuel, don't we?
And of course the droplets of that magic fuel were as big as footballs because otherwise these droplets would have fallen for over a minute to reach the lobby level. At that time the (strangely enough) west side of the lobby was already gone.

TNT releases ALL the energy in a fraction of a second and the losses are quite small (same for nuclear explosions). But may be we should count the energy released by a dripping water in the bathroom. The day will come when that energy exceeds the amount of energy released in Hiroshima. ... ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!

My advice for future presidents: Put water into bombs! And kerosene into A-bombs. You will rule the world because everyone will love you (even for a massive airstrike in the desert).

Professor of Physics / U. Calif. Berkeley??? Strange somehow these professors from US universities.
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peterene

Love the notion about the no-mass-loss-hercynite-fayalite Greening, now that's an idiot! He needs a god ol' kick in the groin and a big punch in the face...........

Love the notion about the dripping water. ....a 12 story building (in which I lived for a short while...) with 72 flats uses energy equialent of 0,25kt...every year!!!!!


ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
ALL CITIES ARE IN DANGER!!!
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achimspok

Serious question: How many water taps had the good old WTC?

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