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| The Disinfo Files | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 14 2009, 10:44 PM (826 Views) | |
| broken sticks | Oct 14 2009, 10:44 PM Post #1 |
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Please use this thread to talk about possible disinfo agents. (edit. this list is people whose authenticity is commonly seen to be called into question) Just because i have started this thread doesn't mean i'm not disinfo. If anyone wants to question me, that's fine. a discussion the other night resulted in this: jim fetzer in the "conspiracy industry" university professor, who can not find any physics professors to backup his claims seemed genuinely shocked at jeff's recent lack of belief in no-planes doesn't do any research himself at Princeton University in 1962, his senior thesis for Carl G. Hempel on the logical structure of explanations of human behavior won The d***inson Prize. stix: in it for personal gain ali: out for the money, and not out to confuse ali: thesis shows he should know better stix: publicises whoever makes the best radio-show for him marcus icke glaringly obvious crucial research errors has been part of the fragile backbone of NPT since its inception stix: it seems too obviously a load of bollocks ali: he's showing it to you, that he's wrong ali: he may have set out with honest intentions to begin with, but now that doesn't matter ace baker consistently wrong relies on things that can't be proven, or are circumstantial fits his "evidence" around his theory, not the other way round fake-suicide on air? weird probably not disinfo, probably just wrong and stubborn stix and ali: we both think ace seems like a nice guy, we just wish he'd drop the composites agenda. judy wood clearly incorrect research alarmingly poor research quality very well qualified in mechanical engineering just like marcus icke: should know better, illustrates her errors for us stix: two words - john hutchison ali: put a black mark next to her name dr morgan reynolds qualified in economics, not any physical science involvement in the bush administration pushes incorrect 911 analyses stix and ali: we don't know enough about him - what are your thoughts? john lear very qualified pilot ali: i don't think anyone takes him too seriously. stix: i only think his opinions on flying a plane are important. stix and ali: is he discrediting 911 truth with his talk of underground tunnels on mars etc? steven jones generally distrusted, but can we define why? what was he saying about molten metal? CIT guys independant, verifiable evidence as to the flight-path of the plane at the pentagon. conclude that anyone seeing the plane hit must have been deceived. over-zealous in this respect? incorrect? can anyone prove how? ali: how can anyone possibly be deceived from near the pentagon in such a manner? stix: can anyone make an animation demonstrating how such a deceipt could be succesful? gerard holmgren "the original no-planer"? what valid research does/did he actually have? killtown sly and manipulative, but that could just be his personality. intimidatory. research is almost entirely incorrect. evasive (ie, can not answer questioning of his research). admins a clearly-disingenous forum. personal attacks. ali: his dog's really cute  stix: master of evasion. ozzybinoswald are this level of dedicated lunacy really paid/coerced disinfo, or just lunatics? what are people's views? any more suggestions for possible disinfo? can we find books and articles on how people like CIA operatives actually operate, disinfo handbooks, infiltration guides etc.? david ray griffin is another person in the "conspiracy industry", ie, one of many people who make a tidy profit from conspiracies. Edited by broken sticks, Oct 14 2009, 10:51 PM.
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| achimspok | Oct 14 2009, 11:57 PM Post #2 |
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simonshack aka socialservice aka... Maybe he is one of the above. False on purpose! Manipulative! Slandering! The source of almost all brainwashing claims! Immune against knowledge or logic. Ingenious lies. No coincidence! Very organized! Multiple accounts. Edited by achimspok, Oct 15 2009, 12:04 AM.
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 01:46 AM Post #3 |
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I can't believe we forgot simon shack! lol ok, so using simon shack as an example: is he paid to do what he does? would we ever know? would we be able to make an educated guess from his actions? i guess we need some more educating on the possible actions of disinfo agents. its not enough to just prove someone wrong. but in terms of resourcefulness, simon shack is fairly resourceful. he certainly knows he's lying. he could be crazy though. |
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| Yougenedebs | Oct 15 2009, 01:57 AM Post #4 |
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How very odd; the video I'll be releasing later this week deals with this topic. I've been working on it for weeks; making sure to dot the eyes and cross the tease (if you will). Things that make me go 'Hmmmm' We shall see what we shall see! Debs |
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 02:32 AM Post #5 |
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Excellent! Looking forward to it! Hopefully we can get a few opinions on this kind of thing, and see if we can work anything out. |
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| Matt | Oct 15 2009, 02:47 AM Post #6 |
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Nico Haupt aka ewing2001 aka 911censored aka 9/11 Stalker radio... started out genuine.
Edited by Matt, Oct 15 2009, 02:50 AM.
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 02:50 AM Post #7 |
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Speaking of disinfo, genghis doesn't mind a bit of gate-keeping now and then. Here's his thoughts on this thread: actually genghis, we forgot all about him. thanks for caring though  actually i know little about him, but my friend thought he should be in the list, so we used this as an appeal for some of his "research". hence the question "what valid research does/did he actually have?" i'll pass your request on to the person that suggested him genghis... Edited by broken sticks, Oct 15 2009, 02:56 AM.
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 02:54 AM Post #8 |
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yeah, he's another one we thought of but i don't really know much about him. from what i've seen, i'd put him more in the "crazy" bracket, but it seems to me that recruiting people of questionable mental stability would be advantageous to groups like the CIA, who need to be able to deny that a person was ever an agent. This is the kind of stuff i'd like to find some procedures on. |
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 03:02 AM Post #9 |
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"started out genuine" yeah, i've been thinking about that. is there a real possibility of people having been "turned", so to speak? Who would be targeted for turning in such a way? Groups i can see, but individuals? |
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| Yougenedebs | Oct 15 2009, 03:25 AM Post #10 |
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Nice web page you have there, Matt! I noticed the link to the 911movement forum didn't seem to be working, though. I heard they were down for repairs, or something. Keep up the good work! Debs |
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 03:34 AM Post #11 |
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from an interview with gerard in 2005: North Tower Has any aircraft wreckage, or black box been found at the purported crash site? Nothing which can be identified as from an aircraft. Is there any video or other evidence that a commercial passenger airliner hit the north tower? No. the video shows clearly that the object was not a large passenger jet, nor a conventional plane of any type. Exactly what it is, is difficult to tell but it appears to be some kind of highly advanced secret technology. South Tower Is there any aircraft wreckage or video or other evidence that a commercial passenger aircraft hit the south tower? No wreckage. The videos which purport to show such a crash have been exposed as fakes. http://thewebfairy.com/911/ http://911hoax.com/ The live shot (which did not actually show the plane hitting the building, but passing behind it, giving the illusion that it has impacted the hidden face) appears to have been animated in real time with this technology: Lying with Pixels, by Ivan Imato, MIT's Technology review, July/August 2000. http://www.nodeception.com/articles/pixel.jsp And the footage shown retrospectively which appeared to show the strike directly has been animated with flight simulator. See the two links above for video analysis. hmm. no plane wreckage, huh? i'll have to let the guys on the engine thread know about that... and "not a large passenger jet, nor a conventional plane of any type" is apparently what the videos of the first plane show... boy, those gerard holmgren lies/mistakes sure were hard to find... he doesn't seem like the kind of person i'd leap to the defence of, that's for sure. Edited by broken sticks, Oct 15 2009, 03:38 AM.
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| alibongo | Oct 15 2009, 07:46 AM Post #12 |
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That list was a bad idea, Sticks I shouldn't have agreed to help you with it. I mentioned Gerard Holmgren 's name because everyone to do with NPT was on the list. I've seen NO EVIDENCE to suggest he's disinfo, I don't know much about him at all. We were essentially gossiping and did no research for this thread at all. I'll post more later, I'm late for work, haven't even read all this yet but I regret saying it was ok to post without thinking about it more. |
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 01:30 PM Post #13 |
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no worries ali, i'll keep looking for relevant things to add I wasn't saying these people on this list are all disinfo. I'm hoping we can pretty much eliminate most of the list from being disinfo with a bit of logical deduction. Holmgren does say lots of crap about tv fakery and no-planes on his website though. We wrote what we thought, and asked about the rest. What with icke relentlessly avoiding the point on here, i thought we should talk about it a bit more openly. Edited by broken sticks, Oct 15 2009, 01:39 PM.
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 01:53 PM Post #14 |
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for the record, i don't think all these people are perps. many of the points i listed would indicate exactly that. take jim fetzer for instance. he spends all week selling lies. i don't think he's a govt. agent though, he's probably just in it for the money. and ace baker - we all know he's probably not an agent, and hopefully we can use this thread to show people exactly that. |
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| broken sticks | Oct 15 2009, 02:57 PM Post #15 |
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Of course, there are many different types of disinfo, and many different potential sources - russian intelligence, for instance, has a long history of inciting unrest throughout the US, through various types of disinfo. They published a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, claimed to have been stolen from a secret Jewish organization, but in reality it was fabricated to stir up anti-semitic feelings in the west. Maybe the russian secret service are behind some of the lies in 911, not necessarily just the CIA. What disinfo tactics have you noticed on your travels in the 911 community? ad hominem is very popular, but we can all see through that and concentrate on the point. Here's an example of a "Reductio ad Hitlerum" tactic:
reductio ad hitlerum (literally, reduction to hitler) assumes the form of "Hitler (or the Nazis) supported X, therefore X must be evil/undesirable/bad,". For example: "Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism is wrong." The tactic is often used to derail arguments, as such a comparison tends to distract and to result in angry and less reasoned responses. |
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