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| Jim Fetzer with Webfairy and myself; The Real Deal 10/02/09 | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 3 2009, 08:00 PM (818 Views) | |
| shure | Oct 3 2009, 08:00 PM Post #1 |
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The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer ( guests: Wefairy and myself ) October 2 2009 Mp3 download link: http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/rd_100209.mp3 |
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| Yougenedebs | Oct 3 2009, 10:02 PM Post #2 |
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Wow! You did good, Jeff! Those who claim that the crash physics aren't present need to prove it! Just saying things are cartoons does not make it so! And how could the Webfairy think the Towers are on the wrong side? Preposterous! |
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| achimspok | Oct 3 2009, 10:55 PM Post #3 |
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Car hitting a brick wall! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5NR3Ovkm48 and another  full story and another  and another  It's harder to crash into a concrete head. Edited by achimspok, Oct 3 2009, 11:27 PM.
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| RasgaSaias | Oct 4 2009, 12:57 AM Post #4 |
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Webfairy is completely insane! She belongs in an asylum. Seriously. She didn't say anything that made sense. I don't really know why is she on a radio show giving her opinion about serious issues like this. Having her there is a crime against sanity. Jim Fetzer is a manipulative fukk who now even considers calling "video fakery" to videos that were not faked and actually recorded a real event. Is this guy for real? See how he shamelessly tries to manipulate your opinion by injecting slogan after slogan. Quoting the usual "experts" and all. And then he's tapping you in the back, saying you did good in the past, but now that you don't agree with him anymore, you should go and read their propaganda again. I felt disgusted with all this bullsh!t. Edited by RasgaSaias, Oct 4 2009, 01:09 AM.
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| thepye | Oct 4 2009, 01:16 AM Post #5 |
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Realisticness (lol word?) vs. People who think everything is conspiracy |
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| RasgaSaias | Oct 4 2009, 03:09 AM Post #6 |
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Here's a little exercise only to demonstrate that the way we imagine things happening in our mind might not be exactly the way they happen in the real world: A driver of a semi-tractor trailer hauling a track hoe excavator (weighing 8 tons) on a flatbed is traveling at high speed. Suddenly he misjudged the clearance at a large concrete overpass and the excavator's extended shovel arm, made of hardened refined steel, hits it. The large concrete overpass is made of commercial-grade concrete, reinforced with 1 1/2 inch steel rebar spaced at 6 inch intervals in a criss-cross pattern layered at 1 foot vertical spacing. What will be the end result? Try to apply the newtonian laws of motion and simulate it in your mind. Take your time. Then, when you have it pictured, hit the spoiler button and compare. Spoiler: click to toggle DISCLAIMER: This is not supposed to be a comparison with what happened at the WTC. It is just an attempt to demonstrate the difference between what we think is realistic and what is in fact realistic. Specially when it isn't a usual event and we're not familiar with the outcome. Edited by RasgaSaias, Oct 4 2009, 03:40 AM.
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| elephant room | Oct 4 2009, 07:15 AM Post #7 |
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1 voice of reason & 2 lost minds that have long since convinced themselves that they have already reached the conclusions... good content shure. Edited by elephant room, Oct 7 2009, 06:19 AM.
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| DrBabs | Oct 4 2009, 11:11 AM Post #8 |
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For years, Fetzer relegated Rosalee Grable to the back burner. When folks like Wood and Reynolds were still paying attention to Fetzer, he completely ignored Rosalee. Now that the serious researchers have abandoned Fetzer, Grable is a regular? The problem with WebFairy is that she is unpresentable. She can't write a simple paragraph, and her verbal presentation is the worst. YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND HER! She seems intoxicated. Fetzer sounds depressed. I'd be depressed, too, if my plans had fallen apart so drastically like his have. He keeps moaning and moaning that all these people refuse to appear on his show. |
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| broken sticks | Oct 4 2009, 12:08 PM Post #9 |
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good work jeff - are you going back on? try to get an answer on that physics-teachers thing - he didn't respond to your point about him working with lots of academics and professors and stuff. he keeps quoting john lear about tail sections falling off and stuff, but these "tail sections" are all going 500mph too. he quotes newton but forgets about momentum with this falling-tail section notion. |
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| broken sticks | Oct 4 2009, 12:17 PM Post #10 |
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did he think the wall would win? i'm sure this car (with its rigid steel chassis) wasn't doing 500mph, but this bit of the wall didn't survive. in fact you could say the cookie-cutter car-shape is fantastical 
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| broken sticks | Oct 4 2009, 12:30 PM Post #11 |
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while i think about it, i doubt anyone would say this car has an undamaged nose, if they had to guess. yet the wall gave way..... ace baker calls this "trying to have it both ways". |
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| achimspok | Oct 4 2009, 01:05 PM Post #12 |
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The falling down tail section is nonsense anyway. If the front crushed the columns then there is no resistance anymore. So either the whole plane has to fall down or nothing has to fall down. The "too small" deceleration is another problem because that always cited law of Newton refers to the center of the whole mass including all tiny parts of the crushed plane and columns. Since the plane did not flew out off the other side I consider that the mass indeed was decelerated. The largest piece - the engine - left the building at about 50m/s while it entered the building at more than 200 m/s. The explosion took place on the opposite side... Where else? First the wings had to be crushed. Next the fuel had to reach the proper fuel-air mix because otherwise it would burn but it wouldn't explode (major issue to discuss the destruction of the basement). Finally the fuel-air mix has to be ignited. The whole time the fuel moves along the trajectory of the plane. So where should we expect that explosion? And Rosy thinks that the helicopter was downtown just because she can't see the buildings below the helicopter in the zoomed in part of the "moving bridge" shot. She should have a look at genghis YT channel. I still wondering why no one of these guys - so far - claimed that the exit whole of the north tower was to small for an airplane. What is it all about? I don't get it. Jeff, some years ago I - between the lines - criticized you for the call with Hezarkhani. I'm sure you know what I mean. Meanwhile you do a very very good job. You brought Carmen Taylor and the alleged "Harley Boy" here. This is the very best way to let the good ones go into the pot and the bad ones down the loo. Too much time was already wasted for loads of nonsense that first had to be fight. Meanwhile lots of very serious questions are seemingly forgotten. What the hell is Fetzer thinking about the lobby or basement? Did they ever calculate the necessary pressure, the necessary fuel, the necessary way of the fuel, the resulting damage of an exploding express shaft? Did they ever ask how a sagging floor can pull in the wall for 55 inches? Did they ever ask how the wrong and alive Alomari could have a parking lot assigned to Atta? Did the ever ask how the FBI could blame two times the wrong Alomari if they really found the passport in Attas baggage on 9/11? Or how an Abdul passport owner can fill in an Abdulaziz visa application? Did they ever ask who damaged the Portland surveillance photos by printing a big wrong time stamp in the middle of it? 
Edited by achimspok, Oct 7 2009, 11:47 PM.
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| DrBabs | Oct 5 2009, 06:54 AM Post #13 |
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Cars are made of steel, and the front ends are constructed to resist the forces of a head on collision. (Strong.) An airplane is made of aluminum, and is not designed or constructed to survive any kind of head on collision. (Not strong.) A steel car can pierce through a brick wall (somewhat). An aluminum airplane cannot pierce a steel building (at all). Reminds me of the three little pigs. |
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| achimspok | Oct 7 2009, 01:14 AM Post #14 |
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It didn't survive. Edited by achimspok, Oct 7 2009, 01:15 AM.
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| achimspok | Oct 7 2009, 10:20 PM Post #15 |
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Finally (3days ago) Webfairy showed character. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBPyrNe_xmc  I hope this is the end of that crucial piece of ERROR. Thanks Rosalee for that statement! |
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