Ace Baker's Claims Wrong Again?

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Ace Baker's Claims Wrong Again?
Topic Started: Aug 2 2009, 09:53 PM (2,416 Views)
acebaker	Aug 5 2009, 09:48 AM Post #31
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	Circling the building? I rest my case.



elephant room	Aug 5 2009, 09:56 AM Post #32
Posts: 833 Group: Members Member #50 Joined: Oct 20, 2008	Quote: It's also because the announcers don't notice a plane. well ace, you didnt/dont 'notice' the plane in the wide shot of FOX5 ... but that doesnt mean it isn't there, does it.



acebaker	Aug 5 2009, 12:28 PM Post #33
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	There's no plane in Jim Hoffman's Chopper 5. It came first. People complained, and Dylan Avery came up with a new Chopper 5. It had a plane added. I complained that it was frame blended, and was reduced in quality. So you came out with "Dr. Ebbets". It was new and improved. It was interlaced. But it was still not even VHS quality. You reduced it, then bumped it back up to 720 x 480, and cropped it. Eventually you'll probably come out with a new and improved Hezarkhani.



elephant room	Aug 5 2009, 12:51 PM Post #34
Posts: 833 Group: Members Member #50 Joined: Oct 20, 2008	ace, could you post a link to download Jim Hoffman's Chopper 5 ... I would like to see the version you keep referring to. I cannot find a download at the original clip on your site. thanks in advance



RasgaSaias	Aug 5 2009, 02:25 PM Post #35
Posts: 1,397 Group: Global Moderator Member #43 Joined: Oct 15, 2008	DrBabs Aug 5 2009, 08:05 AM So, again, what's your story? My story is simple and opposite to yours. I want the theory to fit the facts. You want the facts to fit the theory. I base myself on verifiable data. You base yourself on unverified claims. I try not to say much about what I don't know to avoid being wrong like I was in the past. You annoyingly spam the whole forum with your DEW fantasy and don't care about researching anything properly. kthxbye!



heavyplastic	Aug 5 2009, 03:07 PM Post #36
Posts: 89 Group: Members Member #234 Joined: May 22, 2009	These two audio files with Ace and BrokenSticks are pretty revealing in the fact that Ace Baker is so (un)professional to not even have headphones in his studio?!?! WTF I even have a few pairs laying around and I dont call myself a professional. Furthermore Ace's behavior when confronted with sheer logic (thanks BS for showing you really care and have some real brains too) makes me think Ace managed to brainwash himself and/or is under control of some ABC agency/handler, not sure yet but he has the same ways as Jim Fetzer and all the other puppets out there. Next time record some video too please, I could have a friend look at it to determine if there is some compulsive behavior going on!



RasgaSaias	Aug 5 2009, 03:21 PM Post #37
Posts: 1,397 Group: Global Moderator Member #43 Joined: Oct 15, 2008	acebaker Aug 5 2009, 09:20 AM Rasga, I consider all the criticism of my theory. Most of what you say, even if correct, does not disprove my theory. Chopper 5 was moving slowly toward New York, as well as slowly off to the left. So what? Assume you're right that the fuselage part was in the aerial photo. Assume I'm wrong about that. So what? That would only mean they got the part planted before the aerial photo. Assume you're right about the shadows causing the over-under puffball contradiction. I've explained on my wiki why I think you're quite provably wrong about this point. But even if you're right, so what? That would only mean they got the shadows and masking right. Assume they really did replay Chopper 5 several times. So what? It was hours and hours afterwards. They had time to fix it up a little, plan their strategy for explaining away the nose out. They certainly never replayed the wide shot. They replayed other shots with a teeny-tiny airplane. That's not really what disproves your theory. These are just tiny little details. I just need to pick the nose out to explain what's wrong with the whole thing. My verifiable facts against the composite mistake hypothesis: It's a feature from the explosion seen on all the other videos, including live shots such as chopper 7. It's behind the bright explosion and not in front of it. There is a shadow. Your unverifiable explanations for these huge problems. The home tapes were all confiscated. (impossible) They added a nose in all the other videos instead of taking it out of chopper 5. (illogic) The better copies proving the compositing theory wrong were retouched later. (denial) If we can't explain how it was formed, then it has to be a composite mistake. (straw-man argument) acebaker If you're right about Chopper 4 being shown live, and it really had an airplane in there, live, then that would disprove my theory (unless they has some very advanced motion tracking , which I highly doubt). BUt I don't think Chopper 4 was shown live. How's that possible!? Do you really believe they would air images without the plane knowing that anyone could record it and compare with the replays!? Of course you can say "they confiscated all the home tapes, if not, find me one" but we all know that's ludicrous. acebaker Instead you offer me "Dr. Ebbetts". Why did you guys reduce the quality on that, and then bump it back up to 720 x 480? And why did you crop it? Who reduced the quality? Who cropped it? acebaker There's no plane in Jim Hoffman's Chopper 5. It came first. That is a lie. The plane can be seen in your Jim Hoffman's Salter version as well. You keep saying it's only a feature from the smoke trail. But it's exactly where the plane is on the other copies. IMO you're in denial. That's the problem. Maybe because you spent lots of time with this theory and now you don't feel like giving up from it. But If you really want to find the truth, you must evolve and adapt to the new findings. There's nothing wrong about being wrong if you're able to correct it. We have all been wrong at least once. Nobody's perfect.



acebaker	Aug 5 2009, 04:20 PM Post #38
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	Tell you what gentleman. Why don't you get out the old VHS, and make a digitization at 720 x 480, interlaced. This time don't reduce it and bump it back up to size. And don't crop it. You might pretend you don't have the broadcast quality. But you can't pretend you don't that VHS. Let's have a proper look at it. And record the whole tape, start to finish, whatever is on there.



heidimarie	Aug 5 2009, 05:13 PM Post #39
Posts: 165 Group: Members Member #205 Joined: Apr 28, 2009	heavyplastic Aug 5 2009, 03:07 PM These two audio files with Ace and BrokenSticks are pretty revealing in the fact that Ace Baker is so (un)professional to not even have headphones in his studio?!?! WTF I even have a few pairs laying around and I dont call myself a professional. Furthermore Ace's behavior when confronted with sheer logic (thanks BS for showing you really care and have some real brains too) makes me think Ace managed to brainwash himself and/or is under control of some ABC agency/handler, not sure yet but he has the same ways as Jim Fetzer and all the other puppets out there. Next time record some video too please, I could have a friend look at it to determine if there is some compulsive behavior going on! Where are these audio files? I'd like to hear the interview. Thanks. tgc c



acebaker	Aug 5 2009, 05:28 PM Post #40
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	It's impossible that the composi-traitors accounted for every copy of Chopper 5 before they started improving it? Really? So . . uh . . . who's got a copy? Let me count the total number of people who have come forward with a VHS tape with Chopper 5 on it . Yep. Still 0.



shure	Aug 5 2009, 05:31 PM Post #41
Administrator Posts: 5,448 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: Feb 13, 2008	Ace, why don't you put an ad in the Ny Times? I think that would be alot better than Craig's List!!!



RasgaSaias	Aug 5 2009, 06:46 PM Post #42
Posts: 1,397 Group: Global Moderator Member #43 Joined: Oct 15, 2008	acebaker Aug 5 2009, 04:20 PM Tell you what gentleman. Why don't you get out the old VHS, and make a digitization at 720 x 480, interlaced. This time don't reduce it and bump it back up to size. And don't crop it. You might pretend you don't have the broadcast quality. But you can't pretend you don't that VHS. Let's have a proper look at it. And record the whole tape, start to finish, whatever is on there. Who are you talking to? Who has the VHS?



elephant room	Aug 5 2009, 07:42 PM Post #43
Posts: 833 Group: Members Member #50 Joined: Oct 20, 2008	elephant room Aug 5 2009, 12:51 PM ace, could you post a link to download Jim Hoffman's Chopper 5 ... I would like to see the version you keep referring to. I cannot find a download at the original clip on your site. thanks in advance bump ... ace, please share your "planeless" Hoffman version ... I think I know the problem.



elephant room	Aug 5 2009, 08:58 PM Post #44
Posts: 833 Group: Members Member #50 Joined: Oct 20, 2008	ace, I am looking through your websites http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/PinocchioStudy/Chopper5Velocity.html http://www.acebaker.blogspot.com/ and I cannot find a version of the Hoffman/Salter that is not an excerpt of the closeup after the zoom or a long shot that begins after the really long shot where the plane is visible ... what up? HAve you ever offered for review a raw version of the full offman version? I think I know the problem. also, you have created an outline over the plane in your gif here I know you say the speed is not constant because the plane was slowed down in order to catch the plane "in" or behind the top layer (building w/ no background) ... Would you agree there would be some uniform motion to the slowing down? I offer a $100,000 challenge you to demonstrate, with the outline of the plane, how the speed of the plane was slowed down, yet is consistent with the speed we see your "Pinocchio’s Nose" exiting the building. No, I double dare you! I find it 'odd' that you took out the outline to avoid this detail. (not odd, just the same crap you keep pulling to hang on to your no plane/compositing theory.)



acebaker	Aug 5 2009, 09:05 PM Post #45
Posts: 175 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: Jul 1, 2009	A lot of my files are on a big drive, and it's being backed up now. I can't get to it. The issue is the credibility of evidence. Nobody argues that a plane COULD be inserted. Nobody argues that reducing quality is the best way to hide the messy fingerprints of compositing. Nobody argues that ALL of the airplane videos have been reduced in quality. I don't know who "Rasga" is, or "Elephant Room" or "Matt" or a lot of you people. I do know that you are the guys who suddenly "discovered" the new and improved Chopper 5. None of you even has any sort of theory, so I can't ask you to offer evidence to prove anything. If you want to continue to attempt to disprove my theory, I think you should contact the people we are told have copies of Chopper 5 - Jim Hoffman, Dylan Avery and/or "Dr. Ebbetts". Jim Hoffman <911research.com@gmail.com> Dylan Avery <dylan@loosechange911.com> And of course, you should obtain true broadcast quality copies. Absent video compositing, there would be no earthly reason for the networks to conceal them. If you can get broadcast quality, and there are airplanes in there, and those airplanes are the same quality as the background, with the same noise, and we can reproduce the lower quality versions accurately with that broadcast master, then I will take down my websites, and throw away my movie, and take out a 99 year hosting of a webpage that says "I was wrong - there were real planes". As it stands, I am more convinced than ever that I am right.



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