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| SOME people green screened & chroma key; on the 9/11 videos ... | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 15 2009, 02:03 PM (1,349 Views) | |
| elephant room | Jun 15 2009, 02:03 PM Post #1 |
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thread reserved for SparkOfLife or anyone else to demonstrate that people seen in the 9/11 broadcasts or amateur video's were inserted w/ cgi and not actually where they are being portrayed. Edited by elephant room, Jun 15 2009, 02:06 PM.
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| sparkoflife | Jun 16 2009, 07:17 AM Post #2 |
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 What the f*** is this ?  THE FACELESS MAN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxLlY0ihku4  SUPERFAST HEAD-SPINNING MAN IN BLACK BOX (low right corner)  Green screen slip up   More green screen slipups. |
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| Jonayla | Jun 16 2009, 07:24 AM Post #3 |
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I still don't get what's supposed to be wrong in the last gif, the one with the firemen. (I don't mean by this that I see what you mean in the others, for example, the faceless man, I think that the image definition isn't good enough) |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 16 2009, 07:51 AM Post #4 |
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Look at the youtube video, it's in HQ. Download the real footage. It's there. -- For the last photo, i'm pointing out that what you are seeing isn't auto focus. It's a green screen slipup. [/quote] Edited by sparkoflife, Jun 16 2009, 07:52 AM.
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| Jonayla | Jun 16 2009, 08:07 AM Post #5 |
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I've watched the faceless man video. The quality is not as good as one could wish, and I'm not a good analyst, so I don't want to be adamant about this, but yeah, indeed, looks like his face was erased, because you can see the faces of people who are behind him, but not his face, and he is closer to the camera. I don't know what it means, but I'm surprised. I hope there's an explanation for that, because I find it interesting. I'm sorry, SOL, but the las picture, the chroma slipup, I still don't see what you mean. Do you mean that the towers look like missing, and then they appear? I can't be sure, but seems like it's some kind of light adjustment, the camera was like looking down, and it goes up, more light comes into the visor and it balances the light. I know my explanations are terrible, because I don't know the technical terms, but I think it's more likely a light trick than a chroma. But who the hell knows, in the end. Edit: Spelling. Edited by Jonayla, Jun 16 2009, 08:18 AM.
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| beatprophet | Jun 16 2009, 08:17 AM Post #6 |
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That is the most overly commpressed piece of crap that I have ever seen .. before you post any more poison Sparky hows about you grab yourself the original and see if the man has a face then! $1,000,000 Says he will ... |
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| Jonayla | Jun 16 2009, 08:21 AM Post #7 |
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Beat, please, don't get mad at me, but, seriously, watch the Youtube link. I believe SOL is right about this thing. I don't know why or how or what, but seems like the guy's face was blurred on purpose. |
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| beatprophet | Jun 16 2009, 08:35 AM Post #8 |
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Don't worry Jonayla, I guess the mans face will have been pixelled out on purpose to keep his identity private .. this kind of thing happens quite often .. If the footage wasn't so bad and didn't look like an abstract painting we could tell if this was the case HAVE YOU FOUND THE ORIGINAL YET SPARKY? |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 16 2009, 08:45 AM Post #9 |
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I can't find it. HOWEVER This is clearly green screen, Sure the towers would be glemming with light, but there would be more of a shine. The camera is sitting in the shade, there would have been a cast on the lens showing off the sliver steel on 2 sides...if not 2 at least one. It wouldn't just glow like a light. Edited by sparkoflife, Jun 16 2009, 08:46 AM.
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| beatprophet | Jun 16 2009, 08:50 AM Post #10 |
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Turn up the brightness on your monitor Sparky .. You will begin to loose detail the more brigtness you add.. and yes it really is as simple as that ... |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 16 2009, 10:07 AM Post #11 |
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Let me point out that i do agree with this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Tpk2PwLjM |
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| genghis6199 | Jun 16 2009, 10:31 AM Post #12 |
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YOUTUBE is the operative word here YOUTUBE = massive divx compression followed by youtubes own flv compression. this has been explained about ten times in this thread alone jonayla which part of MASSIVE DATA LOSS escapes you? when a compressor works it "generalises" about pixel areas. things in similar tones are simplified into THE SAME TONE. compression does not work without compressing the information. it is a VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT and to be honest i am completely and irrevocably suspicous of anyone pretending to not understand. I'LL SPEAK SLOWLY show us the ORIGINAL. Edited by genghis6199, Jun 16 2009, 10:33 AM.
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| elephant room | Jun 16 2009, 12:39 PM Post #13 |
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1st example What is the red arrow showing? 2nd example I'll bet a quality look at the Camera Planet movie will show that he either has a face, or might have been blurred out for some reason ... 3rd example Because you think a guy who is barely seen has a head that turns "superfast", you think this is an example of Green Screening? I dont get it. 4th Example They (naudet) have quite a bit of footage from being in & around the towers that morning, do you think it is all Green Screened? That particular shot seems to make sense to me. HE is standing in a heavily shaded area. (hence the very dark street scene and inside of the lower, close buildings ...) and the side of the towers he is panning up at is in direct, bright sunlight. This seems like the camera adjusting to the light. Beat says it can be seen with the proper adjustments to the 'brightness'. 5th Example What about this pre Flight 11 scene in the street that you titled "More green screen slipups" I applaud you participating in this discussion of these details, actually posting pictures to try and defend you theories ... that is more than I can say for d.duck or kt. Edited by elephant room, Jun 16 2009, 12:43 PM.
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| Jonayla | Jun 16 2009, 01:07 PM Post #14 |
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Genghis, be polite to me, OK? You can find ridiculous my lack of knowledge, and I can agree. But you're gonna have to talk to me in a softer way. I do know the difference between the original and what you can see at Youtube. But I just was telling that in the video it was more visible the blurring of the face. Not that the original was at youtube. You can be tired of whatever you want to be tired of. And be suspicious about whatever you like. But I have done NOTHING wrong to deserve how you replied to me. And sorry but I DO HAVE UNDERSTANDING ISSUES because my native language is not english. Besides, I'm not a computer/CGI/whatever expert, so it's logical that I confuse terms and make mistakes. Sorry that it bothers you, but that's the way it is. I can't make myself more clear than this. If you want to keep being rude to me every time you feel like I'm pretending not to understand, fine. I'll still respect your work. Bye. Edited by Jonayla, Jun 16 2009, 02:06 PM.
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| sparkoflife | Jun 16 2009, 03:08 PM Post #15 |
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Well that's because 'I bet $100,000' that nor KT or D.Duck are trained in video production like I am. 1 The red arrow is showing something that dosn't make sense... What is this some sky blue building that's 'glowing' ? 2 I requested a better quality version of this image. We shall see. 3 Do you remember the Zaprudder film ? That has been CONFIRMED to be a composite of many different layers. watch it, same waaaaay too fast head movement in the driver and front seat passenger. 4. I don't think it's all green screened, the images are authentic, but in my opinion alot of the firemen and Firemen/Actors are not actually at the scene in that moment. as for light adjustment... Sure the towers would be glemming with light, but there would be more of a shine. The camera is sitting in the shade, there would have been a cast on the lens showing off the sliver steel on 2 sides...if not 2 at least one. It wouldn't just glow like a light. Same thing, with #5. Except this would be extreamly hard to key and in my opinion, this video is a composite of real footage mixed with into a 3D model with blue screen actors inserted. |
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