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| Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement: | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 14 2009, 05:15 PM (459 Views) | |
| shure | Jun 14 2009, 05:15 PM Post #1 |
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Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement: The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang By Mark Bilk http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html A gang of disinformation agents is posing as 9/11 researchers and attempting to sabotage the 9/11 truth effort by: Claiming that they themselves are 9/11 researchers (which they are not, because they don't use scientific methods) Broadcasting lying smear attacks against the actual 9/11 researchers, in order to discredit the actual research results. Making absurd claims: that no planes hit the World Trade Center, that the dozens of videos showing the planes were all faked, that the WTC was destroyed by energy beams or H-bombs, etc. Their purpose in making the obviously absurd claims is to confuse the public into thinking that 9/11 researchers are crackpots, and therefore their information should be ignored. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Motive The American/Israeli/British fascist governments have used their Big Lie -- that the 9/11 attacks were done by "Islamic Terrorists" -- as their pretext for murdering millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine, practicing the most horrible tortures upon innocent people, instituting surveillance, invasion of privacy, and the threat of kidnapping, torture, and murder against their own citizens, and threatening to censor or shut down the Internet. In other words, for creating the "New World Order" -- a global fascist slave state. The 9/11 truth effort is having ever increasing success in reaching the public with the results of the scientific analysis showing that the World Trade Center was destroyed by explosives and incendiaries that "Islamic Terrorists" could not possibly have placed in the buildings. This worries the criminal elements of the U.S. government greatly, and both Bush and Obama have ordered that their story about 9/11 must never be questioned, and that those who do question it are terrorists in league with "Al-Qaeda" (which actually does not exist as an organized international force). The government has created websites, magazine articles, and books claiming to refute the 9/11 physical research, but these government productions have been shown to be full of lies. So, in order to disrupt the effectiveness of the 9/11 truth movement directly, a COINTELPRO type operation was apparently initiated, as it has been against virtually all organizations and movements opposing U.S. government fascist wars and oppression. The operations of the Disinformation Gang fit the usual COINTELPRO pattern. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disinformation Gang Members Major participants in the Disinformation Gang (as I call them) are James Fetzer, Morgan Reynolds (former chief economist of G W Bush's Department of Labor), Judy Wood, Ace Baker, Kevin Barrett, Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable, Nico Haupt, Gerard Holmgren, Rick Siegel, Jeff Hill, and a number of others who hide their identity under pseudonyms like "Coffinman". James Fetzer is a former JFK assassination "researcher" who claimed that the Zapruder film -- which is the most important piece of evidence in the case and proves that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have been the killer -- was faked by the government, and therefore was not valid as evidence. Fetzer was a co-founder with physicist Steven Jones of the Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which initially was the most credible and effective 9/11 research organization, listing as members hundreds of professional experts in various fields. But once the Scholars achieved wide recognition, Fetzer began publishing on the organization's website the obviously absurd claims of the Disinformation Gang -- that no planes hit the WTC, that the videos showing the planes had all been faked, etc. Many of the members raised strong objections to his actions, but Fetzer continued pushing the lies (and he still does currently, as of June 2009). In December 2006 a vote was taken on this issue among the members (over Fetzer's angry objections) and his policy of pushing lying disinformation was rejected by 153 to 9. In spite of this, he refused to stop, and so Steven Jones and most of the members left and formed the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Methods Used The most successful factor in exposing the government lies about 9/11 has been scientific investigation of the physical evidence. This evidence and its analysis are objective, and can't be countered by excuses like, "General Myers didn't send up interceptor jets because he was in a meeting when the airliners were hijacked." Physicist Steven Jones, author David Ray Griffin, architect Richard Gage, and political activist Alex Jones have been among the most effective in bringing this information to the public. Just as the 9/11 truth movement was having substantial success in getting the word out, a small gang of people, many hiding their identity, sprang up and began spewing out huge amounts of disinformation masquerading as scientific research, but contradicting the real research. These people support one another, and say that they are the only real 9/11 researchers. The gang's disinformation includes claims that no planes hit the World Trade Center, that all the videos showing the planes hitting were faked by the government, and that the WTC was destroyed by energy beam weapons or H-bombs (not by explosives and thermate). Upon close examination, the gang's claims all turn out to be lies, but people who don't have a scientific background are sometimes taken in by them. The gang has published many hundreds of videos, blog entries, forum posts, and web pages. They appear to be well financed. Their enormous campaign also includes direct lying smear attacks against the most effective real 9/11 investigators and activists -- Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, and Alex Jones. The goal of this gang is to confuse naive members of the public into thinking that real 9/11 researchers are spouting absurd garbage like "No planes hit the World Trade Center" and "All the WTC plane crash videos were faked". Even people without a scientific education, just using common sense, know that these claims are ridiculous. And that is the goal of the Disinformation Gang! They want people to think that the 9/11 truth movement is full of idiots and crackpots, so people willl go back to believing the government's lies, and welcoming a police state for protection against nonexistent "terrorists". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Details of the Gang's Absurd Claims In addition to making savage, lying personal attacks against the people most successful in spreading the truth of 9-11 to the population -- Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, and Alex Jones -- various gang members claim that the following techniques were used in the destruction of the World Trade Center. The fact that many of these violate well-known laws of physics, contradict the evidence, and some are also mutually exclusive doesn't inhibit the gang. Refutations are given in parentheses. Keep in mind that these claims are designed to be seen as absurd in order to make people think that 9/11 researchers are nutballs. no planes hit the WTC (a few people saw the first plane hit, and many saw the second, which was also captured on dozens of videos and still photos) all the videos and photos, even those made by private people, were faked by the government (all of the analysis presented by the gang to prove this turns out to be lies, in some cases using tampered versions of the actual videos) an error in "video fakery" showed the plane's nose emerging from the opposite side of WTC2 (refuted in detail here) all the witnesses who saw the planes hit were lying or brainwashed by watching TV (firemen, police, thousands of citizens saw the second missiles disguised as planes by means of holograms (impossible, because, since light travels in straight lines, the hologram generator would have to be as large as a 767) "UFO orbs" (actually the lights of helicopters in the distance) "scalar waves" (which don't exist and are a fraud by Tom Bearden) "Hutchison effect" (which also doesn't exist and is a fraud by John Hutchison) micro-hydrogen bombs not using fission triggers (which don't exist, would have made an enormous flash and bang, and would have made radioactive elements which were not found) missiles hidden by "cloaking devices" (which don't exist) flocks of UAVs -- unmanned aerial vehicles -- to account for individual puffs of dust and smoke during the crashes (these were caused simply by turbulent air flow) energy beams from space satellites (which would have required the combined power of hundreds of nuclear power plants, would have made the concrete dust burning hot, would have burned people on the ground, would have made enormous lightning bolts in the air, and could not have penetrated even one of the hundred steel floor pans) This gang has created dozens of websites, blogs, forums, mailing lists, Net radio programs, and various other outlets for their lies. Their intention is to associate these nonsensical claims with the actual 9-11 research movement, in order to discredit it. They have already begun to succeed: articles have been published in mainstream media saying that 9-11 researchers are nutty conspiracy theorists who say that no planes hit the World Trade Center. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cars Were Not Burned By Energy Beams Here is a refutation of one of their claims -- that cars near the WTC were burned in peculiar ways that proves they were hit by energy beams from space: Ordinary burned cars with the same damage as WTC cars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "Spire" Did Not Turn To Dust The disinfo gang claims that the WTC steel "spire" -- some girders that remained standing briefly after one of the towers fell -- was "dustified" by directed energy beams, this based on low-resolution video from which it's impossible to tell what happened. In fact, any type of energy that can reduce solid steel to dust would have to vaporize it first, which would require heating it to beyond white-hot in order to overcome the very strong interatomic bonds that make steel such a strong construction material. Such heating would cause the steel to emit a blindingly bright blue-white light. Of course this didn't happen. What did happen is shown in the two closeup higher resolution videos below: the spire simply fell, mostly dropping vertically downward. At the end the tallest part also begins a rotation to the left, which can be seen in the second video. The sideways motion causes some blurring due to the video compression process. A lesser degree of blurring is seen in the first video as the spire falls, but it's clear that the various parts of the structure remain intact, because they keep their geometric relationship with one another; dust clouds could not do that. 911.wtc.1.spire.close.up.avi collapse-01-spire-clip.avi If your video player won't display these, download and install mplayer. It runs on Linux, Mac OSX, and Microsoft Windows, and can expand videos to full-screen, and also run them in slow-motion or frame by frame, so you have time to perceive and understand what's happening. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang COINTELPRO? People in various 9-11 truth groups are now starting to connect the following facts: The U.S. government has carried out COINTELPRO operations -- infiltration, disinformation, and disruption -- against all major anti-war, anti-racist, and pro-environmental organizations in the past. The 9-11 truth movement is exposing as a huge and murderous fraud the 9-11 pretext for the entire "eternal war against terrorism" -- which is actually for war profiteering, seizure of oil resources, extension of geopolitical/military power, and obedience to the demands of the state of Israel. It is therefore very likely that a COINTELPRO operation is being undertaken against the 9-11 truth movement. No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang has all the characteristics of a COINTELPRO operation against the 9-11 truth movement, and it is the only group that does. |
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| Jonayla | Jun 14 2009, 05:19 PM Post #2 |
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That guy needs to get his head out of his own ass. |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 14 2009, 10:34 PM Post #3 |
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I dont get it jeff, Do you believe 'no planes' and 'directed energy weapons' is disinfo now ? |
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| thepye | Jun 15 2009, 12:25 AM Post #4 |
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Is this the first time you have seen Jeff post, anti no-plane stuff? I think he posted that for everyone to have a nice laugh. Also, i don't think you read that whole article. |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 15 2009, 12:31 AM Post #5 |
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No, you're right. I didn't. lol. I have now. He must just be posting it for us to laugh at it. Sorry, my bad. |
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| genghis6199 | Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM Post #6 |
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that's why your research is so astoundingly terrible |
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| Jenny | Jun 15 2009, 03:05 AM Post #7 |
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Bold mine--that is not a true statement. Leaving aside unfairly lumping all no planers with Judy Jetson, intel ops will be found in any activist group --women's right, animal rights, anti-war--that is considered the slightest threat to The Powers That Be and the status quo. How obvious they are about it is another kettle of fish. Team Evil doesn't play favorites--they play for keeps. Which means they will do their damnedest to manage EVERYBODY if they can get away with it(and have the resources). Anyone thinking they'll be safe or immune just by avoiding certain issues is naive. The only thing that gives them a run for their money (that I've observed) is refusing to playing their good cop/bad cop games, and refusing to tolerate criminal behavior in the ranks(wherever you are). The person who wrote this article seems to be on the goodcop/badcop program. Everyone knows I'm a planer--I've no problem with noplanes being challenged based on facts. But there's no reason to make it personal like the guy whose writing this appears to be working up to. Some no planers are acting like inexcusable prats? Sure, chuck em out until they can behave--but that's true about anybody. Edited by Jenny, Jun 15 2009, 03:06 AM.
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| sparkoflife | Jun 15 2009, 06:28 AM Post #8 |
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okay, so my research is terrible but yours is any better ? how do you explain the contradicting trajectories ? were you wrong in 911taboo genghis ? |
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| shure | Jun 15 2009, 07:46 AM Post #9 |
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SOL, Did you get "picked" on alot when you were a child??? |
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| sparkoflife | Jun 15 2009, 07:58 AM Post #10 |
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Did you Mr. foul mouth temper tantrum ? |
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| genghis6199 | Jun 15 2009, 09:45 AM Post #11 |
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hey i think ur name isn't appropriate sparky. i'm thinking "halfabrain" and i think while ur pushing bluescreen actors, fake jumpers, jesuit fantasies, and believe truthsleuth is a serious researcher, you should leave serious subjects like the trajectories to adults Edited by genghis6199, Jun 15 2009, 09:47 AM.
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| sparkoflife | Jun 15 2009, 10:14 AM Post #12 |
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I actually don't play truthsluths games anymore. but that dosn't mean i think any different of you. you're a troll at best. |
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| genghis6199 | Jun 15 2009, 10:20 AM Post #13 |
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lol. i bet you still have ur little skype scheme meetings. ur so pathetic. you're a minion bro. a minion for a simpleton. a very low position in life. hows "YOUR" fake jumper research going? Edited by genghis6199, Jun 15 2009, 10:21 AM.
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| ATTC | Oct 28 2009, 07:28 PM Post #14 |
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If No Plane Theory was disinformation they why doesn't the media portray that as the arguments of the truthers to make us all look like crack pots? Why didn't Popular Mechanics use it when they were using other theories that many in the self proclaimed truth movement don't even use? What better way to make people look not only insensitive of actual loss of life as well as certifiably insane than by portraying the movement as one where people believe there were no commercial planes. Well guess what? They've done nothing of the sort And given the fact that so many names of the alleged passengers don't show up in the SSDI, given the fact that there has never been one positively identified piece of any plane as in serial numbers, flight data recorder boxes, maintenance logs, etc. It all becomes clear why exactly they shy away from that theory. Because that theory is not disinformation, it's the truth. The truth movement is controlled opposition and has been so from the beginning. Why would they not control it from the beginning to steer dissent in the wrong direction. How can a movie by a couple of teenagers that started out as fiction become the face of such a movement? There is a reason why people like Steven Jones who has a history at Los Alamos along with guys like Bob Bowman who worked with the Star Wars program, etc are in the movement. All these people steer people in a wild goose chase with 0 resolution while absolving the media perps in the process which helps maintain the elite's ability to manipulate the masses by controlling public perception Edited by ATTC, Oct 28 2009, 07:29 PM.
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| broken sticks | Oct 29 2009, 12:20 AM Post #15 |
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and yet all the no-planes "evidence" and "proof" turns out to be bunk. |
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