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| Flight Paths Resolved | |
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| Topic Started: May 29 2009, 05:18 PM (5,609 Views) | |
| RasgaSaias | May 29 2009, 05:18 PM Post #1 |
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What if I'd come out of the blue and told you there's nothing wrong with the flight paths? Would it be really that surprising if once again the so called "evidence" is easily explained by the laws of perspective? I'm learning how to model some stuff on 3Ds Max, so I decided I'd give it a try and reproduce the second plane's flight path in 3D. It wasn't easy, so the result isn't 100% accurate. But very approximate. Then I tested it with two of the most polemic videos from that day with respect to flight paths. Chopper 5  CBS "Dive Bomber"  All I did was match the cameras with the buildings. The flight path representation maintained the same shape the whole time. This images are all I can provide for now. If necessary, as soon as I learn how, I'll create a 3D video giving a better notion of how perspectives affect the flight path's appearance. The result of this experience was: There's nothing wrong with the flight paths at all. They obviously match if we don't neglect the laws of perspectives. When I change the camera position, I'm able to reproduce every flight path from any footage. Surprising? Not really... This proves once again we can't take anything for granted until we test it ourselves. Specially "TV Fakery" loony arguments. |
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| broken sticks | May 29 2009, 05:30 PM Post #2 |
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It wouldn't surprise me. Congrats on the 3DSMax work! |
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| steelers43 | May 29 2009, 06:53 PM Post #3 |
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Rasga... This may help you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4vqOPXxwGo |
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| shure | May 29 2009, 08:15 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks for posting that Rasga, you helped explain a very important piece of the puzzle!!!
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| genghis6199 | May 30 2009, 12:52 AM Post #5 |
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all the best, you're gonna run into some big problems. i look forward to presenting them when you have finished and aren't using crayon approximations. Edited by genghis6199, May 30 2009, 12:53 AM.
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| Yougenedebs | Jun 2 2009, 08:21 AM Post #6 |
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RasgaSaias Pleased to meet you! [edited because I forgot to include the building height and ground elevation. See next post. Sorry.] Edited by Yougenedebs, Jun 2 2009, 08:48 AM.
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| Yougenedebs | Jun 2 2009, 08:45 AM Post #7 |
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RasgaSaias Pleased to meet you! Would you like two more camera locations? CBS on the General Motors Building, aka FAO Schwartz, E 58th St at Madison Ave 215 meters tall on ground elevated at 48 feet above sea level Lat 40.763595 lon -73.972781 http://in-arch.net/NYC_Images/gm.html CBS on the Trump International Hotel & Tower One Central Park West (W 60th St at Central Park West) Lat 40.768982 lon-73.981562 207 meters tall on ground elevated at 78 feet above sea level http://in-arch.net/NYC_Images/gulfwest.html I can get you more, if you’d like. Debs |
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| RasgaSaias | Jun 3 2009, 03:19 AM Post #8 |
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Yougenedebs, all the help is welcome. Post all the camera locations you know. I'll check them and see what it looks like! |
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| Cockroach | Jun 3 2009, 05:18 AM Post #9 |
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What are the 2 above locations in reference to? |
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| Yougenedebs | Jun 3 2009, 09:32 AM Post #10 |
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RasgaSaias Thank you for your kind reply. I’ll post more as I get them. And I realized this morning that I didn’t post a picture of the perspective from those locations. Here’s the url to my livevideo site with examples: http://photo.livevideo.com/photo/YougeneDebs/photos.aspx Please let me know if you are able to view them. If not, I’ll have to figure something else out. Thanks again! |
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| Yougenedebs | Jun 3 2009, 09:34 AM Post #11 |
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c***roach Pleased to meet you! I think those locations were used by CBS on 9/11. Here’s the url to my livevideo site with examples: http://photo.livevideo.com/photo/YougeneDebs/photos.aspx |
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| Yougenedebs | Jul 26 2009, 05:57 AM Post #12 |
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BBC World The point of perspective seems to be along the east bank of the East River beyond the end of Greenpoint Ave in the Greenpoint section of Brooklyn, Long Island and about 3 miles away from the WTC. Or, at about 40deg 43min 45.35sec N 73deg 57min 39.57sec W Note the ConEdison power plant on the other bank. Debs |
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| Yougenedebs | Aug 8 2009, 10:09 AM Post #13 |
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Brian Gately: 6th floor window at the NW corner of the building at 910 Park Place, Crown Heights, Brooklyn, NY; ground elevation is 92 feet; 40 deg 40 min 23.40 sec N 73 deg 56 min 52.21 sec W http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjcVNV99a24 //////////// International Shot, WABC7: Point of perspective is elevated about 915 feet above sea level over the eastern air vent of the Holland Tunnel along the Hudson River; just under 1 mile from the NW corner of WTC1. Here at 0:23 vrt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajr6qswlMRo Foot print of helicopter about: 40 deg 43 min 36.69 sec N 74 deg 00 min 54.00 sec W For an evaluation of height/altitude of the chopper, the Trump Building is 927 feet tall on ground elevated at 31 feet. Thanks, Debs |
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| Yougenedebs | Aug 8 2009, 10:57 AM Post #14 |
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The Chopper 5, High5, WNYW helicopter was flying ESE from Caldwell Airport to Manhattan. Upon arriving at the Hackensack River about 5.25 miles from the WTC and at about 700 feet above sea level, the cameraman zoomed in on the Towers and caught the plane. Foot print of the helicopter about: 40 deg 45 min 12.56 sec N 74 deg 05 min 56.77 sec W Catch the calculations here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KqXuckqUS0 Thanks, Debs |
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| Yougenedebs | Aug 8 2009, 11:34 AM Post #15 |
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One more: Tina Cart 2, “They just zinged it.” Filmed from the roof of (aprox.) 24 Devoe St, Williamsburg, about 3.25 miles east of the WTC. Ground elevation 19 feet. 40 deg 42 min 46.84 sec N 73 deg 57 min 01.88 sec W The Williamsburg Bridge is prominent in the foreground: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VNbgSzr3cA Thanks, Debs |
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