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| The Problem With CGI Composites; by Rasga Saias | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 2 2009, 05:52 AM (2,782 Views) | |
| shure | Apr 2 2009, 05:52 AM Post #1 |
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I see you base yourself on Ace's opinions only. But Ace is not telling everything about his "nose out" theory. I found a huge flaw on it. I discussed it with Ace and found out he also knew about it. I decided not to make it public since he had already enough pressure on his side to deal with. But I'm tiered of this. I really am... And Ace's attitude lately is upsetting me. His silence and isolation won't help anyone to solve anything. So here's something you should all know about the "nose out" that nobody seams to know yet: The following frames were taken from Ace's video itself. (Source)  The luma key theory for the live planes makes all the sense in the world. I also think that's the only way to do it live. I can't think of any other technique. It cuts out the sky and leaved a layer with only the darker objects, the twin towers. It's perfect to insert a plane between this layer and the original footage. So far so good. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________  Then the "nose" appears. If we're going to forget about the chopper 7 live footage with the "nose" on it, if we're going to forguet about how difficult it would be to fake subsequent videos with fake "nose outs" minutes later and if we're going to forget that changing the archives would be easier if they only changed one video, then it would be obvious this could be a composite mistake and that was really the nose of the CGI plane. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________  But then the fireball ignites. And the "nose out composite mistake theory" is compromised. The fireball is too bright. And also disappears with the sky. So the "nose" wouldn't be behind it if this was really just a case of a composite mistake. A real event would look like this.  A composite mistake would look like this. You can ask Ace about it. He'll confirm what I'm saying. So this is just another argument against the "nose out" that has been kept away. And it's also another reason why I don't believe in the "nose out". I know Ace will hate me for this, he'll call me an agent and he won't ever talk to me again. But I had to do this. I cannot support a theory that I don't think is true just because it helps the NPT argument. Most important of all, I want the truth and nothing but the truth. ... |
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| fresniak | May 30 2009, 12:37 PM Post #2 |
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I don't think so. The mistake is not contradictory. You have to consider that in the original video source (as in real life) the sky must have been blue. The fire-ball is instead yellow, so if you use the blue as "blue screen" the nose would appear only on the parts of the picture that stay blu while disappearing from the part of the picture where the fireball comes in to play. Your assumption that they were using the luma key is what leads you to wrong conclusions. Edited by fresniak, May 30 2009, 12:39 PM.
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| Mars Rover | May 30 2009, 04:31 PM Post #3 |
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fresniak, your assumption that the sky was blue is what leads you to that wrong conclusion.... Here's an example:  The sky wasn't blue at the horizon line. That's SS's mistake... And it was specially not blue with a camera pointing towards the sun direction... Have you ever seen the chopper 5 footage with a blue sky behind the towers??? I don't think so..... Edited by Mars Rover, May 30 2009, 04:36 PM.
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| fresniak | May 30 2009, 04:45 PM Post #4 |
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ok maybe you're right the sky wasn't so blue after all, so I was thinking maybe some a infra-red masking was applied as well? In order to avoid the fake cgi messing with the fireball? Just a possibility.. |
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| Mars Rover | May 30 2009, 07:30 PM Post #5 |
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Yeah..... All possibilities...... But if you actually think about it,,,, maybe you're just creating those possibilities because you don't want to quit from the nose out idea...... Apparently that was Ace Baker's problem..... |
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| elephant room | May 30 2009, 07:51 PM Post #6 |
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the nose out theory states the FOX 5 "nose" shot had been removed from the archives b/c it revealed something that was only in that shot ... the "nose." but the fact is that every shot that shows the exiting side (north) of the explosion, shares the same order of: 1. small dark ejection, followed by 2. large bright fireball exiting behind the dark exiting material, then 3. the fireball engulfing the dark ejection as it grows and expands up the wtc wall in the moments that follow... we know have the plane in the wide shot ... what remains of the theory? |
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| Mars Rover | May 30 2009, 07:53 PM Post #7 |
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LOL Nothing... That's what I was trying to say.... 
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| shure | May 30 2009, 08:52 PM Post #8 |
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| genghis6199 | May 30 2009, 09:48 PM Post #9 |
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| steelers43 | May 31 2009, 12:28 AM Post #10 |
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more problems... starting at 5:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sElG-J3RlEs&feature=related |
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| Scotter | May 31 2009, 01:16 AM Post #11 |
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Right: the missing, half or overlapping wing shots. These are the inserts from feeds from the military taking over the regular media-also with the choppers. Actual people still took actual pictures of what was NOT a feed; witnesses seeing a plane-object. But I can't pinpoint specifics between an innocent photographer that their photos were taken and doctored to which clip we're looking at unless every single clip/photo is ID'ed (as we go along). Same thing with CGI-how they made the insert before used as feed...could've been made several ways, like uavs photographing (Towers) first-I mean, what a mindF*** that the smoke keeps going yet you know there're fakes involved; had to be on-site photo-to-feed transfers..ON which were placed either CGI planes or the like. The clips that show the last curve of the flight path, that's an actual flying thing, between a plane and an object (an entire projection: no, Stealth's using filtering captures the heat 'signatures' within that object and shows it's more than projection and less a plane) with a few more clues like sound and some ignition-flash to be resolved. The only sources to do such a projection around an object? I don't know past the object itself or a satellite (the 'heavy machinery' movements previously in the Towers seems suspicious). Edited by Scotter, May 31 2009, 01:50 AM.
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| newangle | May 31 2009, 01:26 AM Post #12 |
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Where did these photos come from? The second one looks to have exactly the shape of the 'nose out'. It is clearly a dust/debris cloud. |
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| shure | May 31 2009, 01:36 AM Post #13 |
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Its from Nova's documentary "Why The Towers Fell" also known as "spiegel shot". |
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| elephant room | May 31 2009, 07:14 AM Post #14 |
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more "noses" fairbanks  chopper 7 
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| elephant room | May 31 2009, 07:21 AM Post #15 |
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now I admit I dont see the left wing on Luc Corchesne's shot, but these two from the east show something, and can easily be responded to as a consistency with the wing becoming bright & sunlit as the 'plane' rotates at the last seconds as seen in all shots. I am starting work right now and do not have my vids w/me. I will post some pictures later today. But just look at the missing wing images, you can see something there. Maybe being devils advocate here, but we are definitely at the point of fines tuning, or straining out the weaker stances and bull. Edited by elephant room, May 31 2009, 07:22 AM.
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