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Crops under stress as temperatures fall
Our politicians haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, observes Christopher Booker.
For the second time in little over a year, it looks as though the world may be heading for a serious food crisis, thanks to our old friend "climate change". In many parts of the world recently the weather has not been too brilliant for farmers. After a fearsomely cold winter, June brought heavy snowfall across large parts of western Canada and the northern states of the American Midwest. In Manitoba last week, it was -4ºC. North Dakota had its first June snow for 60 years.

There was midsummer snow not just in Norway and the Cairngorms, but even in Saudi Arabia. At least in the southern hemisphere it is winter, but snowfalls in New Zealand and Australia have been abnormal. There have been frosts in Brazil, elsewhere in South America they have had prolonged droughts, while in China they have had to cope with abnormal rain and freak hailstorms, which in one province killed 20 people.None of this has given much cheer to farmers. In Canada and northern America summer planting of corn and soybeans has been way behind schedule, with the prospect of reduced yields and lower quality. Grain stocks are predicted to be down 15 per cent next year. US reserves of soya – used in animal feed and in many processed foods – are expected to fall to a 32-year low.

In China, the world's largest wheat grower, they have been battling against the atrocious weather to bring in the harvest. (In one province they even fired chemical shells into the clouds to turn freezing hailstones into rain.) In north-west China drought has devastated crops with a plague of pests and blight. In countries such as Argentina and Brazil droughts have caused such havoc that a veteran US grain expert said last week: "In 43 years I've never seen anything like the decline we're looking at in South America."

In Europe, the weather has been a factor in well-below average predicted crop yields in eastern Europe and Ukraine. In Britain this year's oilseed rape crop is likely to be 30 per cent below its 2008 level. And although it may be too early to predict a repeat of last year's food shortage, which provoked riots from west Africa to Egypt and Yemen, it seems possible that world food stocks may next year again be under severe strain, threatening to repeat the steep rises which, in 2008, saw prices double what they had been two years before.

There are obviously various reasons for this concern as to whether the world can continue to feed itself, but one of them is undoubtedly the downturn in world temperatures, which has brought more cold and snow since 2007 than we have known for decades.

Three factors are vital to crops: the light and warmth of the sun, adequate rainfall and the carbon dioxide they need for photosynthesis. As we are constantly reminded, we still have plenty of that nasty, polluting CO2, which the politicians are so keen to get rid of. But there is not much they can do about the sunshine or the rainfall.

It is now more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century. One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat.

It is appropriate that another contributory factor to the world's food shortage should be the millions of acres of farmland now being switched from food crops to biofuels, to stop the world warming, Last year even the experts of the European Commission admitted that, to meet the EU's biofuel targets, we will eventually need almost all the food-growing land in Europe. But that didn't persuade them to change their policy. They would rather we starved than did that. And the EU, we must always remember, is now our government – the one most of us didn't vote for last week.



Blasphemy! The Goracle and his followers on this board tell me Phoenix will be ocean front property in ten years.

The world's going through a cooling phase? That's crazy talk........
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Jun 15 2009, 03:37 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html

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Crops under stress as temperatures fall
Our politicians haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, observes Christopher Booker.
For the second time in little over a year, it looks as though the world may be heading for a serious food crisis, thanks to our old friend "climate change". In many parts of the world recently the weather has not been too brilliant for farmers. After a fearsomely cold winter, June brought heavy snowfall across large parts of western Canada and the northern states of the American Midwest. In Manitoba last week, it was -4ºC. North Dakota had its first June snow for 60 years.

There was midsummer snow not just in Norway and the Cairngorms, but even in Saudi Arabia. At least in the southern hemisphere it is winter, but snowfalls in New Zealand and Australia have been abnormal. There have been frosts in Brazil, elsewhere in South America they have had prolonged droughts, while in China they have had to cope with abnormal rain and freak hailstorms, which in one province killed 20 people.None of this has given much cheer to farmers. In Canada and northern America summer planting of corn and soybeans has been way behind schedule, with the prospect of reduced yields and lower quality. Grain stocks are predicted to be down 15 per cent next year. US reserves of soya – used in animal feed and in many processed foods – are expected to fall to a 32-year low.

In China, the world's largest wheat grower, they have been battling against the atrocious weather to bring in the harvest. (In one province they even fired chemical shells into the clouds to turn freezing hailstones into rain.) In north-west China drought has devastated crops with a plague of pests and blight. In countries such as Argentina and Brazil droughts have caused such havoc that a veteran US grain expert said last week: "In 43 years I've never seen anything like the decline we're looking at in South America."

In Europe, the weather has been a factor in well-below average predicted crop yields in eastern Europe and Ukraine. In Britain this year's oilseed rape crop is likely to be 30 per cent below its 2008 level. And although it may be too early to predict a repeat of last year's food shortage, which provoked riots from west Africa to Egypt and Yemen, it seems possible that world food stocks may next year again be under severe strain, threatening to repeat the steep rises which, in 2008, saw prices double what they had been two years before.

There are obviously various reasons for this concern as to whether the world can continue to feed itself, but one of them is undoubtedly the downturn in world temperatures, which has brought more cold and snow since 2007 than we have known for decades.

Three factors are vital to crops: the light and warmth of the sun, adequate rainfall and the carbon dioxide they need for photosynthesis. As we are constantly reminded, we still have plenty of that nasty, polluting CO2, which the politicians are so keen to get rid of. But there is not much they can do about the sunshine or the rainfall.

It is now more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century. One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat.

It is appropriate that another contributory factor to the world's food shortage should be the millions of acres of farmland now being switched from food crops to biofuels, to stop the world warming, Last year even the experts of the European Commission admitted that, to meet the EU's biofuel targets, we will eventually need almost all the food-growing land in Europe. But that didn't persuade them to change their policy. They would rather we starved than did that. And the EU, we must always remember, is now our government – the one most of us didn't vote for last week.



Blasphemy! The Goracle and his followers on this board tell me Phoenix will be ocean front property in ten years.

The world's going through a cooling phase? That's crazy talk........
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right. Even if temperatures stay the same, I'm sure they will claim this as a sign of "climate change". Kind of like how Obama is taking credit for "losing only 200,000 jobs" as a sign of his greatness.

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Jun 15 2009, 04:31 PM
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right.
Brother Ernie, bottom line is that pumping billions of cubic feet of fossil fuel exhaust into the atmosphere isn't a good thing. Global warming alarmists and human impact deniers are going to force all of us to lose if they don't get their heads out of their a**es. There is no reason we can't find the common ground that being careful stewards of the Earth will only reap us and our future generations rewards. The Earth is a beautiful place and mankind's utter disrespect and vandalism of it is appalling, quite frankly. I don't want my kids to live in a cesspool of inherited filth left for them by generations of jerks who valued profit margins over preservation.

We all need to take a step back and work together instead of playing "Gotcha" with specifics of prehistoric meteorology and historical temperature trends. We need to stop sh*ttng all over the planet. As a God fearing individual as yourself, you should understand that the Earth, created by God, should not be treated like some sh*thole subletted apartment in a bad part of town....
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Jun 15 2009, 04:31 PM
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right. Even if temperatures stay the same, I'm sure they will claim this as a sign of "climate change". Kind of like how Obama is taking credit for "losing only 200,000 jobs" as a sign of his greatness.

:yes: :thumbsup:
You're right Brother Ernie, my bad. That's the lib way. Losing an argument? Just change the term to "climate change". It's a good thing Al(Fraud)Gore made 100 million off of these sheeple because eventually they might catch on.
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Jun 15 2009, 04:44 PM
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Jun 15 2009, 04:31 PM
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right.
Brother Ernie, bottom line is that pumping billions of cubic feet of fossil fuel exhaust into the atmosphere isn't a good thing. Global warming alarmists and human impact deniers are going to force all of us to lose if they don't get their heads out of their a**es. There is no reason we can't find the common ground that being careful stewards of the Earth will only reap us and our future generations rewards. The Earth is a beautiful place and mankind's utter disrespect and vandalism of it is appalling, quite frankly. I don't want my kids to live in a cesspool of inherited filth left for them by generations of jerks who valued profit margins over preservation.

We all need to take a step back and work together instead of playing "Gotcha" with specifics of prehistoric meteorology and historical temperature trends. We need to stop sh*ttng all over the planet. As a God fearing individual as yourself, you should understand that the Earth, created by God, should not be treated like some sh*thole subletted apartment in a bad part of town....
Relax Plumber, the sun will come up tomorrow. I promise....
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Jun 15 2009, 04:44 PM
Ernie
Jun 15 2009, 04:31 PM
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right.
Brother Ernie, bottom line is that pumping billions of cubic feet of fossil fuel exhaust into the atmosphere isn't a good thing. Global warming alarmists and human impact deniers are going to force all of us to lose if they don't get their heads out of their a**es. There is no reason we can't find the common ground that being careful stewards of the Earth will only reap us and our future generations rewards. The Earth is a beautiful place and mankind's utter disrespect and vandalism of it is appalling, quite frankly. I don't want my kids to live in a cesspool of inherited filth left for them by generations of jerks who valued profit margins over preservation.

We all need to take a step back and work together instead of playing "Gotcha" with specifics of prehistoric meteorology and historical temperature trends. We need to stop sh*ttng all over the planet. As a God fearing individual as yourself, you should understand that the Earth, created by God, should not be treated like some sh*thole subletted apartment in a bad part of town....
Being a global warming skeptic does not make one pro-pollution. Global warming proponents use fear tactics to push through government regulations and consolidate their power. That's the truth. :thumbsup:
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Jun 15 2009, 04:44 PM
Ernie
Jun 15 2009, 04:31 PM
Brother Dean, don't you know that the untruthers refer to it as "Climate Change" now. This way they hedge their bets. If it cools, they can claim they were right. If it warms, they can claim they were right.
Brother Ernie, bottom line is that pumping billions of cubic feet of fossil fuel exhaust into the atmosphere isn't a good thing. Global warming alarmists and human impact deniers are going to force all of us to lose if they don't get their heads out of their a**es. There is no reason we can't find the common ground that being careful stewards of the Earth will only reap us and our future generations rewards. The Earth is a beautiful place and mankind's utter disrespect and vandalism of it is appalling, quite frankly. I don't want my kids to live in a cesspool of inherited filth left for them by generations of jerks who valued profit margins over preservation.

We all need to take a step back and work together instead of playing "Gotcha" with specifics of prehistoric meteorology and historical temperature trends. We need to stop sh*ttng all over the planet. As a God fearing individual as yourself, you should understand that the Earth, created by God, should not be treated like some sh*thole subletted apartment in a bad part of town....
BTW, noticed some profanity at the end of your posts, although you did use asterixes. Partial credit.
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Jun 15 2009, 05:06 PM
Being a global warming skeptic does not make one pro-pollution. Global warming proponents use fear tactics to push through government regulations and consolidate their power. That's the truth. :thumbsup:
So...please tell me the good things that will happen to the earth if we continue to fill the air with fossil fuel emissions.
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Jun 15 2009, 07:22 PM
The southwestern US has an arid climate?

Who'da thunk?

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99% of legit scientists and even the Bush white house believe this is a real phenomenon... Dean you are like the last dude standing who thinks smoking is good for your health. Science and society have passed you by, it's time to deal with it.
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Jun 16 2009, 11:34 AM
99% of legit scientists and even the Bush white house believe this is a real phenomenon... Dean you are like the last dude standing who thinks smoking is good for your health. Science and society have passed you by, it's time to deal with it.
I am beginning to think you just make stuff up. You don't care about the truth, you make dramatic statements not backed up by facts. I suggest you google the Oregon Petition, Brother Bitonti.
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Jun 16 2009, 11:34 AM
99% of legit scientists and even the Bush white house believe this is a real phenomenon... Dean you are like the last dude standing who thinks smoking is good for your health. Science and society have passed you by, it's time to deal with it.
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NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming
Michael Andrews - June 4, 2009 9:37 AM

Report indicates solar cycle has been impacting Earth since the Industrial Revolution

Some researchers believe that the solar cycle influences global climate changes. They attribute recent warming trends to cyclic variation. Skeptics, though, argue that there's little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes.

Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest. A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.

Past research has shown that the sun goes through eleven year cycles. At the cycle's peak, solar activity occurring near sunspots is particularly intense, basking the Earth in solar heat. According to Robert Cahalan, a climatologist at the Goddard Space Flight Center, "Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene."

Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder concludes, "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum. The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012."

According to the study, during periods of solar quiet, 1,361 watts per square meter of solar energy reaches Earth's outermost atmosphere. Periods of more intense activity brought 1.4 watts per square meter (0.1 percent) more energy.

While the NASA study acknowledged the sun's influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.

The inconvertible fact, here is that even NASA's own study acknowledges that solar variation has caused climate change in the past. And even the study's members, mostly ardent supports of AGW theory, acknowledge that the sun may play a significant role in future climate changes.


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do you even read what you post?
Edited by bitonti, Jun 16 2009, 04:58 PM.
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Jun 16 2009, 04:57 PM
do you even read what you post?
Yes I do. I figured you would laser in on this paragraph:

While the NASA study acknowledged the sun's influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.

I guess less hard data, along with questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques provides enough evidence to satisfy your feeble mind.
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Jun 16 2009, 05:24 PM
bitonti
Jun 16 2009, 04:57 PM
do you even read what you post?
Yes I do. I figured you would laser in on this paragraph:

While the NASA study acknowledged the sun's influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.

I guess less hard data, along with questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques provides enough evidence to satisfy your feeble mind.
Notice how he ignored the Oregon Petition. Doesn't fit with his make believe "99%" of scientists "facts".
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It is evident that 31,478 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,029 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,478 American scientists are not “skeptics.”

These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.


http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php
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Jun 16 2009, 09:03 PM
Oh boy

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It is evident that 31,478 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,029 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,478 American scientists are not “skeptics.”

These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.


http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php
Thanks for proving my point, pally. :thumbsup:
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Jun 16 2009, 09:09 PM
cr726
Jun 16 2009, 09:03 PM
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Quoting limited to 2 levels deepThese scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php
Thanks for proving my point, pally. :thumbsup:
Being convinced is not a viable reason. The petition states nothing to back up the convictions.
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