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| best80smovierad | Mar 8 2018, 05:15 PM Post #211 |
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honestly, for the movies at least, id assume marvel is going this route because these actors get expensive as their stock goes up. Chris Evans , Chris Hemsworth, Robert Downey, etc are all obviously more expensive as years have passed, Marvel would probably gladly pay Mackie a few million to take over as Cap compared to whatever they pay Chris |
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| dhk1980 | Mar 8 2018, 05:32 PM Post #212 |
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why not? they did it with fury and kingpin to name a few.
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| dhk1980 | Mar 8 2018, 05:33 PM Post #213 |
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shame on u for implying slave labor.
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| Cbear | Mar 8 2018, 11:07 PM Post #214 |
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Chadwick on cover of current Rolling Stone with feature article. I haven't read it yet, just scanned it but they sell it as revolutionary. All this type of hype really seems a slap to those who came before, like they never happened. Its not the first black super hero movie. Its not the first black directed movie. Its not the first movie with a majority black cast or black lead actor. And its not even Marvel who is doing this, its the media, but without question, Marvel is reaping the rewards. And all while the media says its the greatest super hero movie ever, but viewers such as this site are way more grounded and realistic in their praise. So, what happens with the sequel once the media have moved on to their next cause du jour? They hype is almost certain to be much, much less in the media so how will that effect ticket sales of the casual fans? The Marvel fans will turn out for the sequel like all the Marvel movies, they are loyal. But, what of the casuals caught up in the media promotion, will they return or move on to whatever at the time the media says is ultra hot? Marvel sequels seem to be better than the originals so it would be a shame if Panther II was awesome and drew half the money as the first. Thoughts? |
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| Cbear | Mar 8 2018, 11:10 PM Post #215 |
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By the way, Chadwick is 41 |
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| Darc Requiem | Mar 8 2018, 11:26 PM Post #216 |
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It's the first big budget block buster move with a majority black cast released by a major studio. Blade had a decent budget for it's time and a black lead actor but it wasn't a majority black cast. Meteor Man had a majority black cast but it was not high budget. Black Panther is the first movie of its kind. It brings up subject matter that does not get brought in mainstream films. |
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| RPD | Mar 9 2018, 01:20 AM Post #217 |
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Just saw it tonight, it was good but not the best marvel movie. Also why the fuck does it matter about the races in it? All I care about is if it’s a good movie or not. |
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| dhk1980 | Mar 9 2018, 02:40 AM Post #218 |
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yeah, fuck guys like spike lee. they never existed.
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| dhk1980 | Mar 9 2018, 02:41 AM Post #219 |
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yeah, portraying Africans. i thought u black people want to be considered as injuns.
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| Shammy | Mar 9 2018, 04:54 AM Post #220 |
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There's really no way it won't be better than the first....nevermind, I'm sure they'll bring Cooler back so it's a distinct possibility. Still, it'll still draw. |
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| LordZardoz | Mar 9 2018, 01:52 PM Post #221 |
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And before the UFC, there was Shooto and Pancrase in Japan doing nearly the same thing. It is not so much that Black Panther is the 'first' to do these things. It is because Black Panther it is the first to do the things you mention and make $936,128,076 (International gross as of March 9th 2018). For all intents and purposes, this is the first such movie that actually matters. For all the hyper liberal pandering that Hollywood does, it is at its core a cutthroat business. There is a reason why Hollywood, in addition to having a reputation for leaning way too hard to the left, also carries a reputation as being creatively bankrupt. Having a movie that goes hard for pro diversity means nothing in the long run. If it is a good movie, it might get some good, but most of the time when Hollywood leans in this direction, they make overwrought Oscar bait. But having a movie that is objectively good, waves the pro diversity flag, and most importantly, makes nearly a billion fucking dollars? That is a goddamn game changer for them. The success of this movie is going to spawn copycat efforts for two reasons. The first is because lets face it, Hollywood is still creatively bankrupt. The second is that for all intents and purposes, Hollywood is realizing 'Holy shit, black people actually have money and are willing to spend it on content that represents them, and enough white people will also watch it that you can be sure it wont automatically alienate that audience. More simply, this movie proves you can accommodate all those diversity goals and still make bank. END COMMUNICATION Edited by LordZardoz, Mar 9 2018, 01:57 PM.
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| RPD | Mar 9 2018, 03:53 PM Post #222 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation It's a fucking Marvel movie, THAT is why it did good. Besides that it didn't shit the bed, those two factors alone = success. Those are the two reasons it did good. Do you think there's an overwhelming amount of Black people in China that are going to see this and make all the millions of ticket sales, or will it, I dunno maybe Chinese people? Black people turning out in droves to see this movie didn't make or break the bottom line, it probably didn't even change the delta by more than 10% (if I were to bet, I'd put it closer to 5%), given the population break down, it wouldn't be possible to be more. Edited by RPD, Mar 9 2018, 03:54 PM.
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| dhk1980 | Mar 9 2018, 03:57 PM Post #223 |
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yeah, but some black people saw it like 10x.
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| Darc Requiem | Mar 9 2018, 04:21 PM Post #224 |
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You left out all the Koreans from the hood
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| LordZardoz | Mar 9 2018, 05:40 PM Post #225 |
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Being a Marvel movie helps, but it does not by its self guarantee nearly 1 billion in revenue. It is not like Ant Man or Dr Strange did anywhere near this strongly. This movie has massively outperformed all reasonable expectations and most unreasonable expectations. On paper, this is a marvel franchise movie with a C or D list character starring mostly unknown actors from a mostly unknown director. If Antman and Dr Strange managed to hit 800 million, this level of success would not be so surprising. The diversity appeal of the movie helped. But 12 years a slave probably boasts similar appeal. The portrayal of black people and the subject matter of the plot helped more. Most movies with a big cast of african americans are either slavery drama's, or about general racisim and crime issues. You can go ahead and cite correlation vs causation, and your not wrong. The success of this film is a result of a combination of factors. But pretending that the diversity appeal and subject matter are not a factor makes no sense. END COMMUNICATION |
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