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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2014, 06:56 PM (653 Views) | |
| Wahoo08 | Nov 13 2014, 06:56 PM Post #1 |
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I've had a couple of conversations about tipping with some friends and I'm wondering what people here think about it. To start, I think I'm a pretty decent tipper. I don't tip as much as some of my friends, but I think I'm in the acceptable range. I leave at least 20% at restaurants unless the service is bad and I intentionally leave less. If I'm paying cash at a bar, I usually leave a dollar per beer or 20% when I close out my tab. When in comes to food delivery, I tend to leave a straight tip across the board. Usually $5 give or take. I just don't see how delivering 2 pizzas or 3 pizzas is any different than delivering one, let alone how delivering a $20 loaded pizza is worth more of a tip than a $10 cheese pizza. At least at a restaurant, the more people at the table, the higher the bill, and the more work the waiter/waitress is doing. There's more of a corelation between workload and the cost of the meal. Obviously, if were talking an order for a large party, that changes things. Delivering 20 pizzas is worth more than delivering 2. My one hard set rule is that I refuse to tip for carry out. I hate how pretty much everywhere has a tip jar now. I'm sorry, but I'm not tipping the people at Chipotle or Subway. Hopefully this doesn't make me a dick. My thoughts on tipping have changed a lot over the last several years though. I've worked for tips before, so I'm not going to stiff someone else that does, but honestly, the idea of tipping really pisses me off. The fact that a large corporation can pay someone $2 an hour and expect their own customer's to cover the rest is insane. It's one thing to voluntarily tip someone who goes above and beyond, but the idea of 'working for tips' is bullshit. Why do I have to tip a valet? His job is to park my car and retrieve it. That's what he already gets paid for. The rebuttal that tipping forces employees to provide good service is nonsense. I do my job well because I want to have a job tomorrow. If you pay a reasonable wage (i.e. not $2.00/hr) to a waiter or waitress to take of your customers and they can't do it, then you fire them. I've heard the saying from those in the restaurant business that "if you can't afford to tip 20%, then you can't afford to eat out" and I think its astonishing that it's ingrained so far in our culture that the customer is not only welcomed, but responsible for making sure a company's employees make a decent living. A customer doesn't tip and it's not the employers fault for paying such dismal wages, it's the customer's fault for not making up the difference. |
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| spasgur | Nov 13 2014, 07:03 PM Post #2 |
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Tipping is fortunately not part of the culture over here. I think it's a pretty stupid concept. |
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| The Juggernaut | Nov 13 2014, 07:12 PM Post #3 |
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I think we have to separate the issues: 1) Should you tip well? Yes. Barring bad service, be a decent person and tip. 2) Is tipping a scam perpetrated by the industry? Yes. It's a large part of wage theft. They end up paying 2$ per hour (often nothing) and use tips from waiters and bartenders to subsidize the other employees. In the bar industry, it's also part of control. This is especially true of female bartenders. Since they have to work for tips, often they'll put up with a lot more than what we might say is "appropriate" from male customers. |
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| DriveThru | Nov 13 2014, 07:16 PM Post #4 |
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I tip based on service, sometimes I'll leave the change in my pocket or $5-$20 depending lots of things. Last Sunday i took a friend and her daughter out to dinner at a Chinese place, the waitress only refilled my tea once and about ten minutes after we got our meal she just stood behind us lurking about making us uncomfortable. I made sure we finished and then just stuck around talking for about a half hour, then we got up and left without leaving a tip because fuck that bitch. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 13 2014, 07:26 PM Post #5 |
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There was a great thread on this in the old forum. I start at 20% and out goes up from there. If I'm getting terrible service or if I have to practically beg for refills, the tip drops to 0 really fast. I usually leave a note |
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| Wahoo08 | Nov 13 2014, 07:31 PM Post #6 |
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Agreed, on all counts. |
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| Sofargone | Nov 13 2014, 08:04 PM Post #7 |
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Agree with most of your original post Wahoo. My pet peeve is people in that industry who think they are owed a fkn tip and need it to get by. I don't give a fuck if you are waiting tables while in school or waiting tables as a career. You don't like your pay scale then find a better fkn job. I generally tip cash only in the 20-30 % range as long as I get good service. If I get crappy service I still tip if it's not the wait staff's fault. I get a shitty waiter/waitress they get nada and I probably won't be going back. If I am on company business I tip 15% on my credit card as that is what my employer will reimburse. I also throw a little cash. When I got married at the dinner after our wedding I had a bill of around $1100 and the goddamned gratuity added on top was was $200+. When I was in the Pinas' this past summer one dinner I tipped the waitress $p450 which is about $10 usd and you would have thought I just paid her rent for the month. Then my wife chewed my ass out for leaving a tip at all. Claimed I was going to cause problems with the waitresses co-workers who probably worked all night without any tips. Go figure.... Believe me I am not stingy at all with my money but I'll be damned if anyone thinks they are owed a tip regardless of service. That's a huge problem, people hiring into a position banking on tips that may or may not come and then getting a shit eating attitude like they have been cheated out of mythical earnings. |
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| 19nate79 | Nov 13 2014, 08:17 PM Post #8 |
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Yeah except for that a waitress at a bar makes as much as some local bank branch manager. Who is taking advantage of whom? |
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| niniendowarrior | Nov 13 2014, 10:26 PM Post #9 |
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I also tip based on service. Had a haircut once and the barber gave me a good neck, shoulder, and spine massage afterwards. |
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| The Juggernaut | Nov 13 2014, 10:52 PM Post #10 |
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No they don't. |
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| dhk1980 | Nov 13 2014, 10:59 PM Post #11 |
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i had a friend who was a waiter at a hotel in times square and he used to tell me as long as u double the tax amount (which is 8.875%), it's good. that's what i always go by. i've never left no tip. i wish i would have on certain occasions though. lol |
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| split decision | Nov 13 2014, 11:45 PM Post #12 |
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I am disappoint. I thought this thread would be devoted to this variation of tipping:![]() Seriously, I agree 20% is reasonable for good service. Not fond of the few restaurants that automatically include a gratuity of that amount because if the service is bad you're stuck with it anyway (and it's less incentive for the staff to provide good service). But outside of the restaurant industry, are you guys familiar with the policy that the Marriott hotel chain is adopting? You don't even see or interact with these people most of the time. This is another example of corporate profit-taking. Let the guests help cover the wages: Marriott to urge guests to tip their housekeepers as part of new campaign Marriott International wants to give its housekeepers a raise — and it is hoping customers will chip in. Beginning this week, a number of the company’s hotels will begin providing envelopes in guest rooms to encourage visitors to tip workers. The initiative, called “The Envelope Please,” is a partnership with A Woman’s Nation, a nonprofit organization founded by journalist and former California first lady Maria Shriver. “In conversation with Maria, she said it had struck her that too often women are in positions that we forget to acknowledge,” Arne Sorenson, chief executive and president of Bethesda, Md.-based Marriott, said in an interview. “In a hotel, obviously we tip the bellman or wait staff. But often we don’t see our housekeepers. We don’t have that personal interaction, so we just don’t think about it.” The American Hotel and Lodging Association, a trade association, suggests tipping housekeepers between $1 and $5 per night, and recommends tipping daily rather than at the end of a stay to ensure that the money goes to the person cleaning the room each day. Housekeepers make up the largest group of employees within hotels managed by Marriott, comprising more than 20,000 positions in the United States and Canada alone. They are paid by the hour, and their schedules tend to vary throughout the year on the basis of hotel occupancy levels. Many of the jobs created in the Washington area after the economic downturn have been in hospitality and tourism, industries in which low-wage positions dominate. In the year ending in July 2014, leisure and hospitality hiring accounted for 7,000 new jobs in the Washington area — second only to the retail industry, which added 8,000 jobs. In 2012, maids and housekeepers earned a median salary of $19,780, or approximately $9.51 per hour, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Housekeepers at Marriott’s high-profile hotels in downtown Washington tend to make more than that, according to John Boardman, executive secretary-treasurer of Unite Here Local 25, which represents workers at more than 30 area hotels. Under the union’s current contract, which runs through September 2017, housekeepers, who currently make $18.30 per hour, receive raises every six months, Boardman said. By the contract’s end, housekeepers will be making $20.35 per hour at local hotels including the Marriott Marquis, Mayflower Renaissance and Washington Marriott Wardman Park. “We think it’s a great idea,” Boardman said about Marriott’s tipping initiative. “It highlights the hard work that housekeepers do every day. We think it’s a nice acknowledgment.” Even so, only a small fraction of the company’s housekeepers belong to labor unions. Less than 10 percent of Marriott’s workforce is unionized, according to Sorenson. Marriott operates 18 brands, including its namesake line of hotels, as well as Ritz-Carlton, Gaylord and Renaissance hotels. The company announced last week that it plans to open 1,300 properties by 2017, taking its total number of hotels to more than 5,000. Shriver said she got the idea for leaving envelopes in guest rooms after talking to housekeepers — and hotel guests — around the country. She approached Marriott executives with the concept about a year ago. “I was talking to room attendants, who were overwhelmingly women, and they would tell me that people were pretty sophisticated about tipping the bellman or concierge, but they hadn’t been educated that they could leave a tip for a room attendant,” Shriver said in an interview. “There didn’t seem to be a general awareness that you could, or should, tip a room attendant.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/marriott-to-urge-guests-to-tip-their-housekeepers-as-part-of-new-campaign/2014/09/12/5e6c23a8-38ff-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html |
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| greatjake | Nov 13 2014, 11:45 PM Post #13 |
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Haven't read any of the replies but this seemed fitting. I also tip 20% and move up (or down) depending on the quality of service. Never left nothing, if it's that bad I just never go back. Edited by greatjake, Nov 13 2014, 11:58 PM.
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| ATroms | Nov 14 2014, 12:07 AM Post #14 |
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Im overly generous when it comes to tipping. Even when i dont get satisfactory service, i still find a way to manage 25%. I always try & remember that my meal is one of about 100 that the waiter/waitress is going to make happen that day. If theyre not sharp, or not very attentive to my needs, eh.. Fuck it. Theyre just trying to get through the work day like the rest of us do. Only time i give scraps as tip if if theyre downright rude.. |
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| dhk1980 | Nov 14 2014, 12:25 AM Post #15 |
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you're too much of a sweetie tromie.
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