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Topic Started: Nov 3 2014, 10:44 PM (574 Views)
The Juggernaut
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Republicans win the governorship in Massachusetts. Another big fall.
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Republicans retain in Maine. Connecticut coming down to the wire.
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Nov 5 2014, 01:12 AM
According to Nate Silver, the polls systemically overestimated the democrats chances. This seems to lend more evidence to the fact that the democrats failed in mobilizing their own base.
Wonder why? Poll manipulation that didnt go the way they planned? From what you say, it sounds systemic and reality showed the polls were bunk
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Louisiana goes to a runoff, landrew in trouble.
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Nov 4 2014, 11:50 PM
Ezra Klein argues that the war on women theme failed in Colorado for the democrats:

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The Colorado race had two unique features. One was that Udall focused like a laser on the “war on women” theme. He argued, almost endlessly, that Gardner wanted to ban over-the-counter sales of birth control — a charge that Gardner denied, and countered by releasing a proposal for birth control to be sold over-the-counter (which is, for the record, an excellent idea). If Udall loses what was clearly a winnable race, it suggests that perhaps the war-on-women theme wasn’t such a good move.
Good. I'm so sick of hearing the Dem's tired rhetoric of war on women, income inequality, race baiting, etc.

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Nov 5 2014, 01:29 AM
Just got back from voting...

It's nice that it's done. I think my household has averaged about 5 political calls a day for the last month...robo calls, campaign workers, or poll takers. I wonder if 'they' understand just how much of a turn-off that is?
I'm also glad all of the stupid political TV/radio ads are finally over. Now we can go back to hearing more about Viagra until the 2016 ads start in a few months :D
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Mtn Man
Nov 5 2014, 02:21 PM
just brian
Nov 5 2014, 01:29 AM
Just got back from voting...

It's nice that it's done. I think my household has averaged about 5 political calls a day for the last month...robo calls, campaign workers, or poll takers. I wonder if 'they' understand just how much of a turn-off that is?
I'm also glad all of the stupid political TV/radio ads are finally over. Now we can go back to hearing more about Viagra until the 2016 ads start in a few months :D
Amen to that!
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Its been interesting to hear the various news talking heads trying to explain the dem meltdown; they really were blindsided by the voters. The pre-election polls were way off suggestions they are worthless at best and manipulated at worst. Lib news pundits are saying this signals the peeps want the Reps to work with the dems in a bi-partisan fashion. Huh? How come when Dems win, the media portrays it as the peeps rejecting Rep ideas in favor of Dems, but when Reps win the pundits dont say the same thing? Bottom line is Dems got dumped as their own voters rejected them so why would anyone think "The Unified" want Dem ideas? This is just more of media manipulation and Washington refusing to take the blame for their own piss poor performance and ousting in the election. Both parties do it when they lose.
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Mtn Man
Nov 5 2014, 02:17 PM
The Juggernaut
Nov 4 2014, 11:50 PM
Ezra Klein argues that the war on women theme failed in Colorado for the democrats:

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The Colorado race had two unique features. One was that Udall focused like a laser on the “war on women” theme. He argued, almost endlessly, that Gardner wanted to ban over-the-counter sales of birth control — a charge that Gardner denied, and countered by releasing a proposal for birth control to be sold over-the-counter (which is, for the record, an excellent idea). If Udall loses what was clearly a winnable race, it suggests that perhaps the war-on-women theme wasn’t such a good move.
Good. I'm so sick of hearing the Dem's tired rhetoric of war on women, income inequality, race baiting, etc.

But isn't income inequality a problem in the US?
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spasgur
Nov 5 2014, 04:03 PM
Mtn Man
Nov 5 2014, 02:17 PM
The Juggernaut
Nov 4 2014, 11:50 PM
Ezra Klein argues that the war on women theme failed in Colorado for the democrats:

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The Colorado race had two unique features. One was that Udall focused like a laser on the “war on women” theme. He argued, almost endlessly, that Gardner wanted to ban over-the-counter sales of birth control — a charge that Gardner denied, and countered by releasing a proposal for birth control to be sold over-the-counter (which is, for the record, an excellent idea). If Udall loses what was clearly a winnable race, it suggests that perhaps the war-on-women theme wasn’t such a good move.
Good. I'm so sick of hearing the Dem's tired rhetoric of war on women, income inequality, race baiting, etc.

But isn't income inequality a problem in the US?
Yes. All of those issues Mtn Man mentioned ARE real problems here.

Race baiting is used and manipulated by the Dams a lot more than i'd like to see, but that hardly means issues of race still aren't a real thing here. One only needs to look at all of the red states scrambling to pass laws that would have been prohibited by the Voting Rights Act the moment parts of it were struck down by the Supreme Court.

For the other 2, they don't really have to try hard to make those an issue. When the Republican Party line this time around is basically "don't talk a bout women" because they can't do it without offending half of the world's population, it's a real thing. Not to mention, basically a lot of red states are doing their best to make an abortion almost impossible in their states. Texas and Mississippi are prime examples.

Income inequality is a major problem here, so I hope that issue doesn't get silenced anytime soon.
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Cbear
Nov 4 2014, 11:36 PM
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Nov 4 2014, 11:33 PM
As long as we don't wind up revisiting Roe vs. Wade.
Nothing is going to happen. Assuming the Reps take control of Congress, it simply means anything they propose will be veto'd by Barry for the next 2 years. I suspect the Reps will concentrate mainly on Obamacare and not abortion.
They will, and it will hurt them in two years. Repeal affordable health care after people have a taste of it, and they'll show up at the polls to make them pay for it later.
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Shammy
Nov 6 2014, 02:32 AM
Cbear
Nov 4 2014, 11:36 PM
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Nov 4 2014, 11:33 PM
As long as we don't wind up revisiting Roe vs. Wade.
Nothing is going to happen. Assuming the Reps take control of Congress, it simply means anything they propose will be veto'd by Barry for the next 2 years. I suspect the Reps will concentrate mainly on Obamacare and not abortion.
They will, and it will hurt them in two years. Repeal affordable health care after people have a taste of it, and they'll show up at the polls to make them pay for it later.
Thing is, Obamacare resulted in alot of peoples cost going sky high. Lots are unhappy. But the real reason Reps will go after it so hard is that its Barrys 1 big program and if its repealed then his legacy is zero.

They should concentrate on illegal aliens and border control which alot more people actually care about.

Reps will find a way to shit the bed though.
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Cbear
Nov 6 2014, 02:42 AM
Thing is, Obamacare resulted in alot of peoples cost going sky high. Lots are unhappy. But the real reason Reps will go after it so hard is that its Barrys 1 big program and if its repealed then his legacy is zero.
Most of that is conspiracy theory nonsense. Many of the people bitching haven't bothered to do their research. You hit the nail on the head about Barry's legacy. Thing is he managed to do something that no other President has...and it's working (regardless of what GOP spin doctors are telling us). They can't take it away from him, they can only hurt their constituents in the process.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/10/31/key-study-on-obamacare-2015-premium-rates-is-out-and-you-wont-believe-whats-going-to-happen/
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Cbear
Nov 6 2014, 02:42 AM
Shammy
Nov 6 2014, 02:32 AM
Cbear
Nov 4 2014, 11:36 PM
split decision
Nov 4 2014, 11:33 PM
As long as we don't wind up revisiting Roe vs. Wade.
Nothing is going to happen. Assuming the Reps take control of Congress, it simply means anything they propose will be veto'd by Barry for the next 2 years. I suspect the Reps will concentrate mainly on Obamacare and not abortion.
They will, and it will hurt them in two years. Repeal affordable health care after people have a taste of it, and they'll show up at the polls to make them pay for it later.
Thing is, Obamacare resulted in alot of peoples cost going sky high. Lots are unhappy. But the real reason Reps will go after it so hard is that its Barrys 1 big program and if its repealed then his legacy is zero.

They should concentrate on illegal aliens and border control which alot more people actually care about.

Reps will find a way to shit the bed though.
That is simply Fox News spin and not even close to reality. You do know Sen Turtle wants to keep his own state's exchange while trying to appeal ACA. He knows it's been good, but politically he has to say its bad.

Oh, and nothing will change or happen for the next two years. Gridlock is what we're getting with maybe another shutdown and a few attempts at an impeachment.
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Nov 6 2014, 05:55 AM
Cbear
Nov 6 2014, 02:42 AM
Thing is, Obamacare resulted in alot of peoples cost going sky high. Lots are unhappy. But the real reason Reps will go after it so hard is that its Barrys 1 big program and if its repealed then his legacy is zero.
Most of that is conspiracy theory nonsense. Many of the people bitching haven't bothered to do their research. You hit the nail on the head about Barry's legacy. Thing is he managed to do something that no other President has...and it's working (regardless of what GOP spin doctors are telling us). They can't take it away from him, they can only hurt their constituents in the process.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/10/31/key-study-on-obamacare-2015-premium-rates-is-out-and-you-wont-believe-whats-going-to-happen/

As many news analysts have pointed out, most Republicans approve of what Obamacare has done, they just cannot stand the name Obamacare. Why give the man any credit???

Many aspects of Obamacare were actually lifted from Romneycare in Massachusetts, for crying out loud. Fortunately the country was smart enough not to putt Mitt in the White House, but he also did something right, at least when it came to health care.

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