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Topic Started: Oct 6 2014, 07:04 PM (2,444 Views)
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I have no dog in this debate, but Sam Harris believes in determinism. I have a hard time believing anything he says. He's an Atheist. In other words, he's determistic atheist. I mean, seriously, I'm agnostic, and I tend to find determinism to true on some level (but not on the micro level) but he's just way extreme on both.
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Oct 14 2014, 12:28 AM
I have no dog in this debate, but Sam Harris believes in determinism. I have a hard time believing anything he says. He's an Atheist. In other words, he's determistic atheist. I mean, seriously, I'm agnostic, and I tend to find determinism to true on some level (but not on the micro level) but he's just way extreme on both.
Fine. Give some examples to debate
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/world/meast/isis-justification-slavery/index.html?hpt=wo_c1

In a new publication, ISIS justifies its kidnapping of women as sex slaves citing Islamic theology, an interpretation that is rejected by the Muslim world at large as a perversion of Islam.


^^^^don't know which ones are arguing against it but good on them
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Oct 14 2014, 04:59 AM
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Oct 14 2014, 12:28 AM
I have no dog in this debate, but Sam Harris believes in determinism. I have a hard time believing anything he says. He's an Atheist. In other words, he's determistic atheist. I mean, seriously, I'm agnostic, and I tend to find determinism to true on some level (but not on the micro level) but he's just way extreme on both.
Fine. Give some examples to debate
I don't have much to say on this debate, because for one thing, I don't have much feeling either way to religion overall (so I don't really have a problem with people liking or disliking any religion unless they are being hypocritical about it), and I don't like Ben Affleck (but not because of his views, but because he has some very bad movies because he got lazy despting having more talent initially and star power than his pal Matt Damon. Matt Damon, however, actually worked hard).

In any case, when I hear people using Sam Harris having arguments as to why Islam is bad, I wonder if they know how he feels Christianity or religion overall. Same goes for Bill Maher. Harris, though, is rather extreme in his views. It's not something I can even stomach, especially his determinist version of Atheism.

If I was a Christian, I would never use Sam Harris's explanations as a shining example as to why Islam is bad, because he applies some of those arguments to Christianity as well. Certainly not all of them, but he does for some of them.
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I think he's explained his view of Christianity as he sees them one day being like somebody telling us they are into astrology. It's pretty close to that now. They're benign. They hold some very minor views that I disagree with which they try and push on us (eg. Gay marriage). God on the money and shit like that means nothing to me. Only a dickhead would give it a Second thought
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Oct 16 2014, 01:49 PM
19nate79
Oct 14 2014, 04:59 AM
HugeMMAFan
Oct 14 2014, 12:28 AM
I have no dog in this debate, but Sam Harris believes in determinism. I have a hard time believing anything he says. He's an Atheist. In other words, he's determistic atheist. I mean, seriously, I'm agnostic, and I tend to find determinism to true on some level (but not on the micro level) but he's just way extreme on both.
Fine. Give some examples to debate
I don't have much to say on this debate, because for one thing, I don't have much feeling either way to religion overall (so I don't really have a problem with people liking or disliking any religion unless they are being hypocritical about it), and I don't like Ben Affleck (but not because of his views, but because he has some very bad movies because he got lazy despting having more talent initially and star power than his pal Matt Damon. Matt Damon, however, actually worked hard).

In any case, when I hear people using Sam Harris having arguments as to why Islam is bad, I wonder if they know how he feels Christianity or religion overall. Same goes for Bill Maher. Harris, though, is rather extreme in his views. It's not something I can even stomach, especially his determinist version of Atheism.

If I was a Christian, I would never use Sam Harris's explanations as a shining example as to why Islam is bad, because he applies some of those arguments to Christianity as well. Certainly not all of them, but he does for some of them.
This post seems like nonsense to me.

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In any case, when I hear people using Sam Harris having arguments as to why Islam is bad, I wonder if they know how he feels Christianity or religion overall.


Yes, I'm fairly certain we all do.

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Same goes for Bill Maher. Harris, though, is rather extreme in his views. It's not something I can even stomach, especially his determinist version of Atheism


What is so extreme about his views, and what is your issue with his "determinist version of Atheism"?

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If I was a Christian, I would never use Sam Harris's explanations as a shining example as to why Islam is bad,


OK, there are plenty of reasons, even if you are Christian, to reference his views of Islam.

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because he applies some of those arguments to Christianity as well. Certainly not all of them, but he does for some of them.


Of course some of them apply. Both are inherently false for the same reasons and thus open to many of the same criticisms. He merely focuses on Islam because it's a bigger threat to prosperity worldwide.

I'm curious what research you have done on him.
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Quite frankly, it's his hard determinism that disturbs me. It doesn't make any sense to me, from a practical viewpoint. It might seem true on a macro scale, but it seems very fishy to believe determinism works on a micro scale.

Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
My hand keeps fondling my dick, which becomes a form of hard determinism.

Can't decide if that's the lord's will.

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Oct 17 2014, 02:09 AM
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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
My hand keeps fondling my dick, which becomes a form of hard determinism.

Can't decide if that's the lord's will.

Look, my disagreement about Harris is not about religion when it comes to determinism. Hard determinism claim examples of free will and chaos are really wants supposed to happen, despite what we may think.
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Oct 17 2014, 02:40 AM
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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
My hand keeps fondling my dick, which becomes a form of hard determinism.

Can't decide if that's the lord's will.

Look, my disagreement about Harris is not about religion when it comes to determinism. Hard determinism claim examples of free will and chaos are really wants supposed to happen, despite what we may think.
I was so hopeful to see another glimpse of your humor.

Oh well...

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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Quite frankly, it's his hard determinism that disturbs me. It doesn't make any sense to me, from a practical viewpoint. It might seem true on a macro scale, but it seems very fishy to believe determinism works on a micro scale.

Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
That sounds like nothing I've heard him say. I found this, which may help define his stance in terms of Determinism for you:

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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
My hand keeps fondling my dick, which becomes a form of hard determinism.

Can't decide if that's the lord's will.

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Oct 17 2014, 08:33 AM
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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Quite frankly, it's his hard determinism that disturbs me. It doesn't make any sense to me, from a practical viewpoint. It might seem true on a macro scale, but it seems very fishy to believe determinism works on a micro scale.

Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
That sounds like nothing I've heard him say. I found this, which may help define his stance in terms of Determinism for you:

That guy is a fucking douchebag.

BTW - I have no idea what any of this thread is about nor have I ever heard of this guy before clicking that video - but I could tell within 9 seconds of listening to him talk that he's a self absorbed idiot.
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Oct 17 2014, 10:37 AM
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Oct 17 2014, 08:33 AM
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Oct 17 2014, 01:58 AM
Quite frankly, it's his hard determinism that disturbs me. It doesn't make any sense to me, from a practical viewpoint. It might seem true on a macro scale, but it seems very fishy to believe determinism works on a micro scale.

Here's an example. Let's say stick my hand out in the air. I have many directions I can move my hand. I can move it forward, I can move it left, I can move it right, I can pull it back, etc. My hand then moves to the left. According to general version of hard determinism, my HAND had to move that direction. It was predetermined to move that direction. However, it makes absolutely no sense. What precludes my hand from moving the other directions? Nothing.

I'm not saying determinism is false, and I'm not saying it can't help illuminate on a large macro scale, but the way most hard determinists apply determinism, they apply it to all cases.
That sounds like nothing I've heard him say. I found this, which may help define his stance in terms of Determinism for you:

That guy is a fucking douchebag.

BTW - I have no idea what any of this thread is about nor have I ever heard of this guy before clicking that video - but I could tell within 9 seconds of listening to him talk that he's a self absorbed idiot.
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