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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 04:05 AM Post #91 |
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Just go point by point he makes and look it up for yourself He's lying his ass off Saudi Arabia is extreme. No question. They are an example of the worst end of the spectrum. The problem is the other end sucks too. It's like being the tallest mushroom on a piece of shit. They are better and do show that muslim countries can be less shitty. That's good. Just don't fool yourself. |
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| Skeletonrock | Oct 13 2014, 04:35 AM Post #92 |
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What things is he lying about? Is he lying about the female circumcision thing? Is he lying about women being equals in whatever country that was? I'm genuinely asking. |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 05:16 AM Post #93 |
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All the above |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 05:21 AM Post #94 |
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Half truths stretched The two Christian countries he named are about 50% Christian and 62% Christian. Right off the top that's not nearly as stacked as you'd think but 62% is a majority. Too bad that's only 2 of the countries in the pile. Muslim countries make up about 70% of those. Does that make it a Muslim thing. We'll that takes a little more digging. You could stop at saying it's an African thing and you'd be mostly correct. It is practiced elsewhere though by Muslims in countries where they aren't the majority. I'm not sure I'm ready to say it's a Muslim thing though. It does seem to skew one way more than another |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 05:27 AM Post #95 |
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http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem There's a bunch of stuff on it |
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| split decision | Oct 13 2014, 11:43 AM Post #96 |
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Porn savant
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I don't have time to spend arguing endlessly with Nate today. All I can tell you, Skeletonrock, is keep reading and keep an open mind. Reza Aslan does not have it all right. Bill Maher does not have it all right. Fareed Zakaria does not have it all right. Sam Harris does not have it all right. But each of them makes points worth considering. I take issue with Maher and Harris sliding into generalizations at times, but I concede that they make some arguments that have merit. But what does Nate do? He attacks the credibility of those who don't agree with his point of view. Aslan is "a bit of a douche" who is "lying his ass off." Zakaria is a "fraud." That kind of narrow-minded outlook that only leads to greater tensions, IMO. It's easier to just paint everyone as good guys and bad guys, but reality just ain't that simple. |
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| Skeletonrock | Oct 13 2014, 12:01 PM Post #97 |
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I appreciate Nate's posts, so outside of that, the above post was probably the best thing you've written. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 13 2014, 12:06 PM Post #98 |
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You're dead to me. |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 04:43 PM Post #99 |
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Reza is lying. He's playing to white guilt. Lots of people buy anything labeled white guilt. His claims don't stand up to cursory scrutiny. Fareed has been accused of plagiarism, convincingly, more than once. Sam harris is correct. You can't argue his logic. You can read his books. Does he read the bible, koran, etc... very literally? Yes. The fact remains that there are groups that act based on that so he holds people to what it says. Maher is a comedian. Same armor that Stewart uses. He did misquote the stats on the show. You can see the numbers yourself. He's an atheist too. He attacks anything religion. It's funny that people call them names but then have to concede their points when pressed. |
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| Skeletonrock | Oct 13 2014, 04:56 PM Post #100 |
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Eh, your assessment of Reza is suspect. I don't think he's lying. His claims may not include the full truth, but I think it's a mistake to say he's lying. |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 05:08 PM Post #101 |
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From harris' s blog I have always considered Aslan a comical figure. His thoughts about religion in general are a jumble of pretentious nonsense—yet he often speaks with an air of self-importance that would have been embarrassing in Genghis Khan at the height of his power. On the topic of Islam, however, Aslan has begun to seem more sinister. He cannot possibly believe what he says, because nearly everything he says is a lie or a half-truth calibrated to mislead a liberal audience. If he claims something isn’t in the Koran, it probably is. I don’t know what his agenda is, beyond riding a jet stream of white guilt from interview to interview, but he is manipulating liberal biases for the purpose of shutting down conversation on important topics. Given what he surely knows about the contents of the Koran and the hadith, the state of public opinion in the Muslim world, the suffering of women and other disempowered groups, and the real-world effects of deeply held religious beliefs, I find his deception on these issues unconscionable. |
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| Skeletonrock | Oct 13 2014, 05:58 PM Post #102 |
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I find Sam Harris's voice to be interesting and important as well. I'm a big believer in that truth lies somewhere between yin and yang and that we need both things to arrive there. |
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| Tallica | Oct 13 2014, 06:00 PM Post #103 |
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I've been on a major Sam Harris kick lately. Been getting stoned and watching a ton of his youtube videos after the rest of the family goes to bed. Great stuff. |
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| 19nate79 | Oct 13 2014, 06:43 PM Post #104 |
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He's less abrasive than hitchens or dawkins The truth is that reza and harris are the truth Reza is an example of what's harris is talking about Harris is objective, however cold. If you want to debate his specifics we can do a thread about that |
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| Tallica | Oct 13 2014, 10:05 PM Post #105 |
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The debate rages on! |
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