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Ben Aflac is a moron
Topic Started: Oct 6 2014, 07:04 PM (2,446 Views)
19nate79

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Oct 12 2014, 10:27 PM
19nate79
Oct 12 2014, 10:15 PM
I would treat them like any other hate group
Mock them openly in public forums until they're a fucking joke, by that I mean tv radio etc...

You keep bringing up isis
You realize that is one group?
Aq, taliban, hamas, Hezbollah, nickelback, etc... are all just as bad right?? Add those up and you get millions of active jihadists.

This religion has more crazies than any other right now by far. We should be talking about it. It is an issue. There has to be dialogue to get past the denial stage.

Consider this too
300,000,000 believe suicide bombing is ok
There are only 20,000,000 jews in the whole world. If every jew on the planet thought it was ok it would only be about 7% as many.

You said fuck those people, well get started fucking. You're going to be a while
People are talking about it and writing about it. Have been for a long time.

It takes a while to effect change. Decades at least.

Look at the pope and Catholics. How recently did it become acceptable for people to fornicate for purposes other than procreation?

How recently did the Catholic church open the door to gays?

How recently did the Catholic church acknowledge that thousands upon thousands of priests were violating little boys?

How recently did the Catholic church open the door to abortion and women as priests? Whoops, not there yet.

Not saying those issues equate to the extremists, just that nothing is going to turn on a dime.

Yeah people are talking about it, but then people like Ben and you immediately cry racism (I know he meant bigotry) incorrectly whenever anybody does. That serves only to shut down dialogue, which is what those assholes want.

What would you say if an artist made a display of a picture of rhe prophet dunked in elephant shit?

Anybody with a brain knows we're talking about the crazies. What we want to know, from the religious figure heads in islam, is why you have more of it by a large margin than possibly all the other religions combined. How is your bible used for that stuff I'm today's world more than the other ones, especially since the old testament that jews and some Christians follow is more violent than yours?
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Oct 13 2014, 12:03 AM
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Oct 12 2014, 10:27 PM
19nate79
Oct 12 2014, 10:15 PM
I would treat them like any other hate group
Mock them openly in public forums until they're a fucking joke, by that I mean tv radio etc...

You keep bringing up isis
You realize that is one group?
Aq, taliban, hamas, Hezbollah, nickelback, etc... are all just as bad right?? Add those up and you get millions of active jihadists.

This religion has more crazies than any other right now by far. We should be talking about it. It is an issue. There has to be dialogue to get past the denial stage.

Consider this too
300,000,000 believe suicide bombing is ok
There are only 20,000,000 jews in the whole world. If every jew on the planet thought it was ok it would only be about 7% as many.

You said fuck those people, well get started fucking. You're going to be a while
People are talking about it and writing about it. Have been for a long time.

It takes a while to effect change. Decades at least.

Look at the pope and Catholics. How recently did it become acceptable for people to fornicate for purposes other than procreation?

How recently did the Catholic church open the door to gays?

How recently did the Catholic church acknowledge that thousands upon thousands of priests were violating little boys?

How recently did the Catholic church open the door to abortion and women as priests? Whoops, not there yet.

Not saying those issues equate to the extremists, just that nothing is going to turn on a dime.

Yeah people are talking about it, but then people like Ben and you immediately cry racism (I know he meant bigotry) incorrectly whenever anybody does. That serves only to shut down dialogue, which is what those assholes want.


Yep. I'll reserve my right to allege bigotry and ignorance whenever anyone makes generalizations.

All Muslims don't issue fatwas, incite jihad and condone suicide bombing. But lots of people don't differentiate. It's an "Islamic thing" in their view. That's where I'll speak up.

Anyway, we can talk till we're blue in the face here in North America but it isn't going to make one bit of difference to the crazy types the Middle East. Maybe it will provoke some change of heart among the hardline Muslim types living in the U.S. Maybe.


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You manage to play the PC white knight and miss the point. Congrats
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Oct 13 2014, 12:24 AM
You manage to play the PC white knight and miss the point. Congrats
You manage to accuse everyone you don't agree with of being a white knight.

Congrats.
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We shouldn't have to say exactly which people every time if it's already been established. It's obvious. I shouldn't have to play Simon says every time I bring that group up.

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Oct 13 2014, 12:24 AM
You manage to play the PC white knight and miss the point. Congrats
You didn't say extremist white knight you racist. Why do you lump all white knights together? It's only 20% of white knights causing all the pc.
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You downplay it and joke about it, but it's important.

It doesn't take long for the bigots to prevail. Extremists and radicals just become Muslims in everyday conversation. There are plenty of examples of that. Then the Muslims who harbor no ill will become persecuted.

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http://nypost.com/2014/10/10/pregnant-teen-girls-who-joined-isis-weve-made-a-huge-mistake/


Queue Nelson pointing and going haha
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Oct 13 2014, 01:02 AM
You downplay it and joke about it, but it's important.

It doesn't take long for the bigots to prevail. Extremists and radicals just become Muslims in everyday conversation. There are plenty of examples of that. Then the Muslims who harbor no ill will become persecuted.

You didn't say extremist bigots. Lots of bigots don't condone marginalizing entire groups. They just don't like certain groups. Your callous dismissal of an entire group of people is sickening
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Oct 13 2014, 01:18 AM
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Oct 13 2014, 01:02 AM
You downplay it and joke about it, but it's important.

It doesn't take long for the bigots to prevail. Extremists and radicals just become Muslims in everyday conversation. There are plenty of examples of that. Then the Muslims who harbor no ill will become persecuted.

You didn't say extremist bigots. Lots of bigots don't condone marginalizing entire groups. They just don't like certain groups. Your callous dismissal of an entire group of people is sickening
Brilliance. Nothing short of what I'd expect from you, Nate.
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We've already covered this ground. You keep going g back over it. Do you want a serious reply each and every time? Not happening
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Split,

Here's a serious reply. I admire your stance, I do. I am also glad you are willing to have serious debate. I just find it to completely missing the point and a great example of "what's wrong" with liberalism. They aren't extremist if they are the majority. The ones that see women as equals, who don't want to exile people who don't believe what they believe; they are few and far between and no one is talking about them. Maher and others are talking about a very real problem with a huge number of Muslims. You jumping and and pointing at outliers misses the point and doesn't address the real issue. Which was Maher's point. Sure, the right likes to bash the Muslims because most of them see it as a threat to Christianity, but Maher's point is why aren't liberals condemning all these practices that go against liberal ideology? These "bad ideas" and the people who believe them?






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Oct 13 2014, 02:07 AM
Split,

Here's a serious reply. I admire your stance, I do. I am also glad you are willing to have serious debate. I just find it to completely missing the point and a great example of "what's wrong" with liberalism. They aren't extremist if they are the majority. The ones that see women as equals, who don't want to exile people who don't believe what they believe; they are few and far between and no one is talking about them. Maher and others are making talking about a very real problem with a huge number of Muslims. You jumping and and pointing at outliers misses the point and doesn't address the real issue. Which was Maher's point. Sure, the right likes to bash the Muslims because most of them see it as a threat to Christianity, but Maher's point is why aren't liberals condemning all these practices that go against liberal ideology?





Dude, I am jumping up and down over protecting the rights of peaceful, fair-minded Muslims. Whether that's 300 million or 500 million, I don't know. But it's a helluva lot of people.

At the same time, I have acknowledged (on multiple occasions, actually) that the thinking and actions of various other Muslims is problematic, to varying degrees.

The radicals who are part of ISIS, put a bullet in 'em.

The Sharia law types who think you can stone or rape women on a whim, put 'em in jail.

Those who think gays are abhorrent, they need to be shown the error of their ways.

I realize that adds up to a large number of people, also in the hundreds of millions.

There is no denial of reality here. The real question is how to have any effective dialogue with the hardline types. Obviously there's no negotiating with ISIS, Hezbollah and the like.

Can the Sharia law followers be reasoned with? Can the homophobes be made more tolerant?

How is that going to happen?
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I don't know what I think Split, my first post in this thread was that I agreed with (parts) of Fareed and Maher. So don't think I'm trying to make Maher's case for him.

Have you watched this? I've seen the name "the Young Turks" but I don't really know them, so maybe the source is really questionable, but I found it an interesting video.

I think I like this Reza guy. Others were saying his credentials were questionable. Any idea why?
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Reza is kind of a douche. What he says sound good, but if you fact check him at all he's intellectually dishonest at best. Sam harris talks about it a lot actually. He's perhaps just as damaging to the discussion as ignoring it. The only plus is that he appear to be moderate, just a blatant liar
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