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Topic Started: Oct 6 2014, 07:04 PM (2,435 Views)
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19nate79
Nov 2 2014, 01:19 AM
you are aware jihad was around during the ottoman empire?

And you're aware of the Crusades, right?

I never said the concept of jihad was conceived of during war with Israelis, or even implied it.

Just said the conflict fuels much of the sentiment.



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it makes it worse no doubt
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Cbear
Nov 2 2014, 12:07 AM
If a person worship and believes something in private it has zero effect on me or the world. If a Christian believes he goes to Hell if he doesn't accept Jesus, he has zero effect on me, you or anyone else. However, if that Christian decides to do a little murder/death/kill in the name of Jesus and cuts off heads, flies planes into buildings, bombs a marathon, becomes a suicide bomber, invades other nations, then NOW he is affecting me, you and the world. That simply isn't happening in Christianity. It is happening in Islam, quite regularly. Can you people simply not see the different in private belief and public action?
isn't happening any more in a signifcant portion of the faith

bad shit still happens in the name of christ but not very much and almost zero in the first world
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19nate79
Nov 2 2014, 01:39 AM
it makes it worse no doubt

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Wow. An acknowledgement of an influence outside of religion alone!!! See, this is how middle ground works. Some people admit there is a problem in the way Islam is practised in some places (be it particular countries or specific mosques/specific imams). While other people admit that religion is not the sole reason for the brutality in those places, where residents are subject to social, economic and political factors that can and do exacerbate people's readiness to think and/or act violently.



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fact remains a jewish state will never be accepted by "islam", but we can do taht in another thread
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Nov 2 2014, 02:00 AM
fact remains a jewish state will never be accepted by "islam", but we can do taht in another thread

Not interested in having that debate, here or there. You are probably right about that, and it's a shame it's highly unlikely to be resolved in our lifetimes.
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it's kind of ironic that the best thing for "palestinians" as a whole would probably be for israel to absorb them and not give them a state
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19nate79
Nov 1 2014, 09:03 PM
Go on TV

Burn the following
Koran
Bible
Buddha
Torah

See what happens
I can speak for the Jews here: We would issue a very VERY strong condemnation (and then you would die of a mysterious heart attack in 4-6 months).
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19nate79
Nov 2 2014, 02:00 AM
fact remains a jewish state will never be accepted by "islam", but we can do taht in another thread
Of course it wont be. They've had decades to try to make peace and their action every time is war and terror.
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Nov 2 2014, 08:58 AM
19nate79
Nov 2 2014, 02:00 AM
fact remains a jewish state will never be accepted by "islam", but we can do taht in another thread
Of course it wont be. They've had decades to try to make peace and their action every time is war and terror.
Peaceful war and terror you bigot and stop lumping all muslims together
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19nate79
Nov 1 2014, 10:50 PM
here is the general link:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

you're going to have to dig a bit. they list people that often or sometimes support bombing in the graphs, but the other choices were rarely and never. i include rarely in my numbers because the only correct answer is never.

you'll have to actually read the questionnaire which has no index and is hundreds of pages. the suicide bombing question is on pg 58. the other are spread through out. enjoy. no idea why they didn't give you a list, or if i just overlooked it. would save so much time.

the problem with not targetting those with vile beliefs is that that's a larger pool of people to draw form when looking for people to act. it also means they wouldn't oppose it, which is just as bad. less than 10% of germans were nazis, look what happened there.

we do target chrisitians. we do it all the time. we do it in this forum. the butthurt sandy vaginas only rear their ugly heads when we discuss brown people's religions.

who gives a shit where christians think you're going after you die? it isn't real. they could just as easily believe my litte pony is where we go when we die and it would have the same effect on everyone else.

they come out against gay marriage and we equate that to say iran where they kill gays?

is the pope changing how the church views these things at least? looks like they are at elast adapting their views to the modern world, however slowly
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We target Christians, as well, because we're intelligent enough not to let bias guide us.

But right wingers sure as hell don't target them, and it's preposterous given that most of them turn a blind eye to what their infallible Christianity does.

If you want an emphatic example of how the West fixates on Islam atrocities over Christian, go downtown and ask people if they've heard of ISIS or the London bombings. Most will. Then ask them what they know about Uganda or the carnage going on in the CAR.

Many of them will probably answer with just this - "What's Uganda? Is that a new rap group?"

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I give a shit because it's a problem when hateful beliefs spread so broadly across a faith. Especially because that's what leads to things like the Lord's Resistance Army and the Rwanda genocide.

As for the Pope, he represents only a portion of Christians [Catholics] worldwide, and he certainly doesn't have all of them behind him. To this moment, the Cardinals are doing damage control about his progressive doctrine.
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Nov 1 2014, 10:55 PM
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Cbear
Oct 29 2014, 07:21 PM
We wouldnt be having any of these discussions if the violence of Islam didnt exist. Nobody would be creating threads saying "hey lets talk about Jesus, Vishnu and Odin". It simply wouldnt even come up. But time and again, violence is committed in the name of Islam so its a hot point.
Not much more than violence is done in the name of Christianity, but you don't see it plastering our news outlets.

We just don't hear about it because Christian violence usually doesn't target the Western world, whereas the violent Islam community hailing from the Middle East has a vendetta against Western society.
let's hear your examples of chritians killing in the name of christianity say in the last 20 years

abortion bombing? even counting those attacks you get single digits supporting it. even the antiabortion groups don't support it.

I'll even start you out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

Not all of those killings involved the assailant screaming "I'm a Christian!"

But you'll have to forgive me when I don't believe in condemning one form of faith-influenced atrocity over the other because it's more verbal.
i don;t see how the difference misses you

if a catholic shoots somebody because they sleep with his wife it is not the same as if he kills them because the said jesus was fat.

The only difference is that they don't always overtly advertise what influences their awful acts; it doesn't change what is inspiring them, or in some cases, fails to keep them from committing the acts despite being based around dogma of love and mercy.
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No the difference is I can't predict who will kill their wives because they slept with somebody else. I can absolutely predict which groups will commit atrocities based on their beliefs. That is the core here. Which beliefs lead to certain actions. Again, if you can't say because God to me to when you commit a crime then you have to own up to your action. In today's world muslims are quoting islam when they blow themselves up at a market or a hospital. Sorry. There is no counter argument to that. If this was 1200 ad we'd have a good basis for defining christians. Instead right now they just vehemently disagree. Are they bombing gay weddings? No. Are they beheading abortion Dr's? No. Do they lobby against those causes? Yes. Are they getting their way anywhere or are they forced to accept society's rules? They can at least be worked with. The group that has a much higher % with violent beliefs and is acting on them today is muslims.
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The peaceful Muslims in Pakistan have murdered and burned a Christian couple accusing them of blasphemy. But....this may have actually been an economic hit job using religion as the killer. The couple were Christian and worked in a Muslim factory. They were in dispute with the company over wages owed and company management were the ones who leveled the accusation of blasphemy and that's all it took for the Muslim rabble to go into a murderous frenzy. This was a hit and the Muslims stupidly fell for it become murderers due to a companies profits.

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/11/05/pakistan-mob-burned-christian-couple-to-death-for-blasphemy/

A Muslim mob killed a Christian couple accused of burning pages of the Quran in eastern Pakistan on Tuesday and then incinerated the bodies in a brick kiln, police officials and labor activists said, in the latest attack on the country’s religious minorities.

Police officials said the mob beat the couple to death, and then threw the bodies into the kiln.

Shama Bibi and her husband Shahbaz Masih were bonded laborers at a brick factory in the village of Kot Radha Kishan in the Punjab province, 28 miles south of the city of Lahore. They had a dispute with Yousaf Gujjar, the owner of the factory, over money they owed him, according to police and labor activists.

Bonded laborers at brick factories in Pakistan are among the poorest people in the country, according to rights groups. They often start working with an employer by taking an initial advance payment on their salary. Owners then deduct a portion of their daily wage until the debt is repaid. Details of the slain Christian couple’s debt arrangements weren’t immediately available.

“Some people, including the accountant and caretaker at the brick factory, had accused [the couple] of desecrating the Quran,” Kasur District Police Chief Jawad Qamar said. “By the time our first responders arrived at the scene, they had been killed”
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