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Nov 1 2014, 10:45 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 07:21 PM
We wouldnt be having any of these discussions if the violence of Islam didnt exist. Nobody would be creating threads saying "hey lets talk about Jesus, Vishnu and Odin". It simply wouldnt even come up. But time and again, violence is committed in the name of Islam so its a hot point.
Not much more than violence is done in the name of Christianity, but you don't see it plastering our news outlets.

We just don't hear about it because Christian violence usually doesn't target the Western world, whereas the violent Islam community hailing from the Middle East has a vendetta against Western society.
let's hear your examples of chritians killing in the name of christianity say in the last 20 years

abortion bombing? even counting those attacks you get single digits supporting it. even the antiabortion groups don't support it.

I'll even start you out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

Not all of those killings involved the assailant screaming "I'm a Christian!"

But you'll have to forgive me when I don't believe in condemning one form of faith-influenced atrocity over the other because it's more verbal.
i don;t see how the difference misses you

if a catholic shoots somebody because they sleep with his wife it is not the same as if he kills them because the said jesus was fat.

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I hadnt opened this thread since it was started, about a month ago now..

I simply had no interest in what Mr Affleck really had to say. I was wondering how this could carry on this long, but now i see the convo has gone much deeper. Need to take time & read through this, now that i see nate is flaming people.

Or is it not worth it??
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Nov 1 2014, 11:15 PM
I hadnt opened this thread since it was started, about a month ago now..

I simply had no interest in what Mr Affleck really had to say. I was wondering how this could carry on this long, but now i see the convo has gone much deeper. Need to take time & read through this, now that i see nate is flaming people.

Or is it not worth it??

You'll save yourself a lot of headaches by sticking with the NHL and MMA threads!

;)
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Nov 1 2014, 11:15 PM
I hadnt opened this thread since it was started, about a month ago now..

I simply had no interest in what Mr Affleck really had to say. I was wondering how this could carry on this long, but now i see the convo has gone much deeper. Need to take time & read through this, now that i see nate is flaming people.

Or is it not worth it??
Depends

Do you default to liberal cliche on every topic or can you actually think?
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Nov 1 2014, 10:55 PM
if a catholic shoots somebody because they sleep with his wife it is not the same as if he kills them because the said jesus was fat.

This is just.. priceless..

:D

Go have a Marlboro nate!
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Nov 1 2014, 08:35 PM
They actually do contribute 4 Nobel prizes in the last 200 years or so. I actually think one of them was in camel breeding too. Have to double check that later but it rings a bell, the fact that it's also "racist" just makes it funnier. This is off the top of my head during my poop break so stand by for a correction later
Wasn't one of the recent peace prizes given to the little girl that the Taliwackers shot in the head? Brave little girl, I give her full props. But, being shit in the head isn't quite the same as inventing Algebra. And should they be praised for Algebra and damned all to hell?
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If a person worship and believes something in private it has zero effect on me or the world. If a Christian believes he goes to Hell if he doesn't accept Jesus, he has zero effect on me, you or anyone else. However, if that Christian decides to do a little murder/death/kill in the name of Jesus and cuts off heads, flies planes into buildings, bombs a marathon, becomes a suicide bomber, invades other nations, then NOW he is affecting me, you and the world. That simply isn't happening in Christianity. It is happening in Islam, quite regularly. Can you people simply not see the different in private belief and public action?
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So, since all the answers are forthcoming here in this thread, can someone explain to me why it's shocking that Muslims in the closest proximity to Israel are most likely to find suicide bombing/other violence justifiable?

Remember, the question asked by the Pew Research Center is framed around defending Islam from its enemies. I'll bet you the majority of Muslims who do respond in the affirmative are picturing Jews and their superior military technology, and the many instances of collateral damage over decades of fighting. Striking back by means of suicide bomb is one of the few methods of recourse those Muslims feel they have (and I'm not taking sides in that perennial feud).

The numbers drop off substantially in the U.S., despite all the occasions when the U.S. has intervened in the Middle East and left many civilians dead. Some of the Muslims polled are also going to be immigrants with memories of war with Israel in mind.

Again, there are so few Muslims who have actually committed acts of violence in the U.S. and Canada. There's little evidence of a compulsion to blow people up here in North America.

Again, do you not think socio-economics and politics don't play a role in this? It's obvious to me they do.

Muslims living in the U.S. who generally benefit from a better quality of life, as opposed to their counterparts living in hovels in the Middle East, express far less support for suicide bombing/other violence to defend Islam. It's the same Quran. Why are the U.S. Muslims such wussies? Why shouldn't they want to spray bullets or detonate shit at the drop of a hat too?

And here's another false equivalency for you (just what you'd expect from the politically correct guy): If you were to conduct a poll of Christians in the U.S. and Canada and you asked the question: "Would you be willing to take up arms to defend Christianity from its enemies?" I'm willing to bet that you'd find numbers at least equal to what you're seeing from U.S. Muslims.


Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism

http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
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SNL and Chris Rock just did a skit about Eye-sis trying to sell marc Cuban and the Shark Tank on investing in Eye-sis.
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Nov 2 2014, 12:33 AM
SNL and Chris Rock just did a skit about Eye-sis trying to sell marc Cuban and the Shark Tank on investing in Eye-sis.
I have that on here too. One of the better skits of the night.

I'm surprised they haven't used Shark Tank in their material before, or if they did I missed it
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So, since all the answers are forthcoming here in this thread, can someone explain to me why it's shocking that Muslims in the closest proximity to Israel are most likely to find suicide bombing/other violence justifiable?

Remember, the question asked by the Pew Research Center is framed around defending Islam from its enemies. I'll bet you the majority of Muslims who do respond in the affirmative are picturing Jews and their superior military technology, and the many instances of collateral damage over decades of fighting. Striking back by means of suicide bomb is one of the few methods of recourse those Muslims feel they have (and I'm not taking sides in that perennial feud).

The numbers drop off substantially in the U.S., despite all the occasions when the U.S. has intervened in the Middle East and left many civilians dead. Some of the Muslims polled are also going to be immigrants with memories of war with Israel in mind.

Again, there are so few Muslims who have actually committed acts of violence in the U.S. and Canada. There's little evidence of a compulsion to blow people up here in North America.

Again, do you not think socio-economics and politics don't play a role in this? It's obvious to me they do.

Muslims living in the U.S. who generally benefit from a better quality of life, as opposed to their counterparts living in hovels in the Middle East, express far less support for suicide bombing/other violence to defend Islam. It's the same Quran. Why are the U.S. Muslims such wussies? Why shouldn't they want to spray bullets or detonate shit at the drop of a hat too?

And here's another false equivalency for you (just what you'd expect from the politically correct guy): If you were to conduct a poll of Christians in the U.S. and Canada and you asked the question: "Would you be willing to take up arms to defend Christianity from its enemies?" I'm willing to bet that you'd find numbers at least equal to what you're seeing from U.S. Muslims.


Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism

http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Irrelevant

The question also reads attacking civilians btw. You conviently ignore that part.

Why is it worse closer to israel? Because there are jews there for starters. Not just jews living there, but in charge of the country. How do they justify bombing the Israeli equivalent of kroger? What do they say? Did they attack them before the occupation? We're there wars before? It is worse there. If the jews went back to teh 67 borders would the violence go away or did they have a war in 67 over this? Don't we have an israel palestine thread to go over this before we even go down this road here?



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They actually do contribute 4 Nobel prizes in the last 200 years or so. I actually think one of them was in camel breeding too. Have to double check that later but it rings a bell, the fact that it's also "racist" just makes it funnier. This is off the top of my head during my poop break so stand by for a correction later
Wasn't one of the recent peace prizes given to the little girl that the Taliwackers shot in the head? Brave little girl, I give her full props. But, being shit in the head isn't quite the same as inventing Algebra. And should they be praised for Algebra and damned all to hell?
Peace prize is a fucking joke
Arafat got one

Anything other than peace. Tally them up
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So, since all the answers are forthcoming here in this thread, can someone explain to me why it's shocking that Muslims in the closest proximity to Israel are most likely to find suicide bombing/other violence justifiable?

Remember, the question asked by the Pew Research Center is framed around defending Islam from its enemies. I'll bet you the majority of Muslims who do respond in the affirmative are picturing Jews and their superior military technology, and the many instances of collateral damage over decades of fighting. Striking back by means of suicide bomb is one of the few methods of recourse those Muslims feel they have (and I'm not taking sides in that perennial feud).

The numbers drop off substantially in the U.S., despite all the occasions when the U.S. has intervened in the Middle East and left many civilians dead. Some of the Muslims polled are also going to be immigrants with memories of war with Israel in mind.

Again, there are so few Muslims who have actually committed acts of violence in the U.S. and Canada. There's little evidence of a compulsion to blow people up here in North America.

Again, do you not think socio-economics and politics don't play a role in this? It's obvious to me they do.

Muslims living in the U.S. who generally benefit from a better quality of life, as opposed to their counterparts living in hovels in the Middle East, express far less support for suicide bombing/other violence to defend Islam. It's the same Quran. Why are the U.S. Muslims such wussies? Why shouldn't they want to spray bullets or detonate shit at the drop of a hat too?

And here's another false equivalency for you (just what you'd expect from the politically correct guy): If you were to conduct a poll of Christians in the U.S. and Canada and you asked the question: "Would you be willing to take up arms to defend Christianity from its enemies?" I'm willing to bet that you'd find numbers at least equal to what you're seeing from U.S. Muslims.


Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism

http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Irrelevant

The question also reads attacking civilians btw. You conviently ignore that part.

Why is it worse closer to israel? Because there are jews there for starters. Not just jews living there, but in charge of the country. How do they justify bombing the Israeli equivalent of kroger? What do they say? Did they attack them before the occupation? We're there wars before? It is worse there. If the jews went back to teh 67 borders would the violence go away or did they have a war in 67 over this? Don't we have an israel palestine thread to go over this before we even go down this road here?




I'm not conveniently overlooking the killing of civilians. There have been many Muslim civilians killed in Israeli attacks. It's not surprising that many Muslims in those countries are prepared to kill anyone they consider the enemy of their religion as war has raged for decades.

I don't support either side -- that mess will never get sorted out -- but I can see where the mindset comes from.

Anyway, Nate, we'll just add this to the list of things you have summarily dismissed.

There's only one right answer and it's clearly yours (every time).


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of course other things combine with religion to make it WORSE, but the center is still there. glavanizing religion with an actual struggle (though the israel palestine thing is largely manufactured) just gives the justification for the methods employed.

blow yourself up and make sure to hit as many civilians as possible as your prmiary target

no

allah demands it

oh ok
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you are aware jihad was around during the ottoman empire?
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