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Jeff Mondo
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Oct 27 2014, 04:44 PM
The Bible calls for people to take up against non believers too.

Just sayin'

It does, but it's extremist Muslims who are acting on the call to arms, not the Christians (well, in much, much smaller numbers these days anyway).


Maybe not as small as you think.

Many of the unstable nations in Africa are predominately Christian, including the ones that have seen some pretty horrific mass-killings in recent times. The Central African Republic continues to have Christian militant groups causing havoc, often targeting Muslims in particular. Joseph Kony, leader of the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, who recruited thousands of child soldiers? Christian. Dude wanted to establish a theocracy based on the Ten Commandments.

Among other contemporary examples. We simply don't hear about them too often because they have little impact on the Western world.

Religious faith is only a minor contributor to these atrocities compared to the larger factors: poverty, lack of education, joblessness, youth etc.

After all, there's millions of Muslims who wouldn't harm a fly sitting in places like China, Indonesia, Malaysia etc.
And we can easily look at those groups and see that that is in fact a very very small minority
I hope you're not trying to say that Muslims in East Asia are a "very, very small minority", much less peaceful Muslims worldwide.

The Muslims in Southeast Asia alone account for somewhere around 40% of the global Muslim population. That doesn't include places like Nepal, India, China, Japan, all of which have sizable, and nonviolent, Muslim populations on their own. Altogether, East Asia contains somewhere around 60% of the global Muslim population.

Arab nations only account for about 20-25% of the Islam community around the world.

So, even if every last Muslim in the Arab world is violent (and they're not, just look at the UAE), they'd actually be the minority against other Muslim populations across the planet.

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One more tidbit

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The hey may have been very slightly more advanced in the dark ages but hasn't really been true since.


Much of what the West knows about science and math today we can thank to the Middle East. The Crusades pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages because of the boundless knowledge that Europeans gleaned from the Middle East. The Arab nations were probably the most advanced of any in the world at that point in history. They were back then what the Western world is today, and even that comparison doesn't do complete justice to the Arab world of then.

Don't bother extolling historical virtues of Muslim populations because Nate just writes them off.

Don't trot out any scholarly types who make counter arguments to what Nate believes because he attempts to undermine their credibility.

He's been completely unyielding in this thread, and, I believe, in any debate he's engaged in throughout this forum and the old one. He posted recently, "I'm always right." I think he firmly believes that.

He also seems to believe Sam Harris is always right. It's kind of ironic that Harris, who is an atheist, has disciples who hang on every word of his gospel, so to speak. The guy does make some good points, but he doesn't have every aspect of this sewn up the way you'd be led to believe here.



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Oct 27 2014, 04:44 PM
The Bible calls for people to take up against non believers too.

Just sayin'

It does, but it's extremist Muslims who are acting on the call to arms, not the Christians (well, in much, much smaller numbers these days anyway).


Maybe not as small as you think.

Many of the unstable nations in Africa are predominately Christian, including the ones that have seen some pretty horrific mass-killings in recent times. The Central African Republic continues to have Christian militant groups causing havoc, often targeting Muslims in particular. Joseph Kony, leader of the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, who recruited thousands of child soldiers? Christian. Dude wanted to establish a theocracy based on the Ten Commandments.

Among other contemporary examples. We simply don't hear about them too often because they have little impact on the Western world.

Religious faith is only a minor contributor to these atrocities compared to the larger factors: poverty, lack of education, joblessness, youth etc.

After all, there's millions of Muslims who wouldn't harm a fly sitting in places like China, Indonesia, Malaysia etc.
And we can easily look at those groups and see that that is in fact a very very small minority
I hope you're not trying to say that Muslims in East Asia are a "very, very small minority", much less peaceful Muslims worldwide.

The Muslims in Southeast Asia alone account for somewhere around 40% of the global Muslim population. That doesn't include places like Nepal, India, China, Japan, all of which have sizable, and nonviolent, Muslim populations on their own. Altogether, East Asia contains somewhere around 60% of the global Muslim population.

Arab nations only account for about 20-25% of the Islam community around the world.

So, even if every last Muslim in the Arab world is violent (and they're not, just look at the UAE), they'd actually be the minority against other Muslim populations across the planet.

EDIT -

One more tidbit

Quote:
 

The hey may have been very slightly more advanced in the dark ages but hasn't really been true since.


Much of what the West knows about science and math today we can thank to the Middle East. The Crusades pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages because of the boundless knowledge that Europeans gleaned from the Middle East. The Arab nations were probably the most advanced of any in the world at that point in history. They were back then what the Western world is today, and even that comparison doesn't do complete justice to the Arab world of then.

Don't bother extolling historical virtues of Muslim populations because Nate just writes them off.

Don't trot out any scholarly types who make counter arguments to what Nate believes because he attempts to undermine their credibility.

He's been completely unyielding in this thread, and, I believe, in any debate he's engaged in throughout this forum and the old one. He posted recently, "I'm always right." I think he firmly believes that.

He also seems to believe Sam Harris is always right. It's kind of ironic that Harris, who is an atheist, has disciples who hang on every word of his gospel, so to speak. The guy does make some good points, but he doesn't have every aspect of this sewn up the way you'd be led to believe here.



This is all you have is strawmen
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Jeff Mondo
Nov 1 2014, 01:30 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 03:47 PM
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Oct 27 2014, 04:48 PM
BDW
Oct 27 2014, 04:44 PM
The Bible calls for people to take up against non believers too.

Just sayin'

It does, but it's extremist Muslims who are acting on the call to arms, not the Christians (well, in much, much smaller numbers these days anyway).


Maybe not as small as you think.

Many of the unstable nations in Africa are predominately Christian, including the ones that have seen some pretty horrific mass-killings in recent times. The Central African Republic continues to have Christian militant groups causing havoc, often targeting Muslims in particular. Joseph Kony, leader of the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, who recruited thousands of child soldiers? Christian. Dude wanted to establish a theocracy based on the Ten Commandments.

Among other contemporary examples. We simply don't hear about them too often because they have little impact on the Western world.

Religious faith is only a minor contributor to these atrocities compared to the larger factors: poverty, lack of education, joblessness, youth etc.

After all, there's millions of Muslims who wouldn't harm a fly sitting in places like China, Indonesia, Malaysia etc.
And we can easily look at those groups and see that that is in fact a very very small minority
I hope you're not trying to say that Muslims in East Asia are a "very, very small minority", much less peaceful Muslims worldwide.

The Muslims in Southeast Asia alone account for somewhere around 40% of the global Muslim population. That doesn't include places like Nepal, India, China, Japan, all of which have sizable, and nonviolent, Muslim populations on their own. Altogether, East Asia contains somewhere around 60% of the global Muslim population.

Arab nations only account for about 20-25% of the Islam community around the world.

So, even if every last Muslim in the Arab world is violent (and they're not, just look at the UAE), they'd actually be the minority against other Muslim populations across the planet.

EDIT -

One more tidbit

Quote:
 

The hey may have been very slightly more advanced in the dark ages but hasn't really been true since.


Much of what the West knows about science and math today we can thank to the Middle East. The Crusades pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages because of the boundless knowledge that Europeans gleaned from the Middle East. The Arab nations were probably the most advanced of any in the world at that point in history. They were back then what the Western world is today, and even that comparison doesn't do complete justice to the Arab world of then.
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Was referring to Christian groups like the ones huge mma talked about being single digit % of those countries, and less than 1% of Christians
Edited by 19nate79, Nov 1 2014, 07:07 PM.
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Nov 1 2014, 01:30 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 03:47 PM
Jeff Mondo
Oct 29 2014, 02:17 PM
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Oct 27 2014, 04:48 PM
BDW
Oct 27 2014, 04:44 PM
The Bible calls for people to take up against non believers too.

Just sayin'

It does, but it's extremist Muslims who are acting on the call to arms, not the Christians (well, in much, much smaller numbers these days anyway).


Maybe not as small as you think.

Many of the unstable nations in Africa are predominately Christian, including the ones that have seen some pretty horrific mass-killings in recent times. The Central African Republic continues to have Christian militant groups causing havoc, often targeting Muslims in particular. Joseph Kony, leader of the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, who recruited thousands of child soldiers? Christian. Dude wanted to establish a theocracy based on the Ten Commandments.

Among other contemporary examples. We simply don't hear about them too often because they have little impact on the Western world.

Religious faith is only a minor contributor to these atrocities compared to the larger factors: poverty, lack of education, joblessness, youth etc.

After all, there's millions of Muslims who wouldn't harm a fly sitting in places like China, Indonesia, Malaysia etc.
And we can easily look at those groups and see that that is in fact a very very small minority
I hope you're not trying to say that Muslims in East Asia are a "very, very small minority", much less peaceful Muslims worldwide.

The Muslims in Southeast Asia alone account for somewhere around 40% of the global Muslim population. That doesn't include places like Nepal, India, China, Japan, all of which have sizable, and nonviolent, Muslim populations on their own. Altogether, East Asia contains somewhere around 60% of the global Muslim population.

Arab nations only account for about 20-25% of the Islam community around the world.

So, even if every last Muslim in the Arab world is violent (and they're not, just look at the UAE), they'd actually be the minority against other Muslim populations across the planet.

EDIT -

One more tidbit

Quote:
 

The hey may have been very slightly more advanced in the dark ages but hasn't really been true since.


Much of what the West knows about science and math today we can thank to the Middle East. The Crusades pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages because of the boundless knowledge that Europeans gleaned from the Middle East. The Arab nations were probably the most advanced of any in the world at that point in history. They were back then what the Western world is today, and even that comparison doesn't do complete justice to the Arab world of then.

Don't bother extolling historical virtues of Muslim populations because Nate just writes them off.

Don't trot out any scholarly types who make counter arguments to what Nate believes because he attempts to undermine their credibility.

He's been completely unyielding in this thread, and, I believe, in any debate he's engaged in throughout this forum and the old one. He posted recently, "I'm always right." I think he firmly believes that.

He also seems to believe Sam Harris is always right. It's kind of ironic that Harris, who is an atheist, has disciples who hang on every word of his gospel, so to speak. The guy does make some good points, but he doesn't have every aspect of this sewn up the way you'd be led to believe here.



muslims were never peaceful in the sense we use it today. they were no worse than other groups, but not peaceful. the difference? the other groups advanced in the last 1000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians, the Greeks and other minorities were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.[13][14][15] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

it won't take you very long to find the history of each country replete with violence, even when the "christian countries" are moving away from it.

ugh. gotta go. icu pager is going off. i'll come back later
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The middle easts high point was centuries ago. Can anyone name anything significant (other than oil) that has come from the region in the last 300 years? They export: oil, Islam, terrorism. Thats about all I can think of. Maybe cashews....which are delicious, so thanks for the cashews. But seriously, their advancements ended centuries ago, they are going backwards. De-evolution perhaps?
Edited by Cbear, Nov 1 2014, 08:05 PM.
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^^^ And if a people choose to devolve and go backwards, okey doke. But dont try to force the rest of the world to join you on pain of death.
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They actually do contribute 4 Nobel prizes in the last 200 years or so. I actually think one of them was in camel breeding too. Have to double check that later but it rings a bell, the fact that it's also "racist" just makes it funnier. This is off the top of my head during my poop break so stand by for a correction later
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Nov 1 2014, 07:05 PM
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Was referring to Christian groups like the ones huge mma talked about being single digit % of those countries, and less than 1% of Christians


Oh. Okay.

If those Christians are a "very, very small minority", then so are violent Muslims. Because there's a lot of violent Christians out there going by countries of predominant Christian belief that are rife with genocide and terrorism.

I mean, at best, the percentage of violent Muslims is a few numbers bigger than the percentage of violent Christians, which does nothing to disprove the original point that there are lots of violent Christians.
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The point

The moon

Mt everest

Sears tower

Shaquille O'Neal

You





Was referring to Christian groups like the ones huge mma talked about being single digit % of those countries, and less than 1% of Christians


Oh. Okay.

If those Christians are a "very, very small minority", then so are violent Muslims. Because there's a lot of violent Christians out there going by countries of predominant Christian belief that are rife with genocide and terrorism.

I mean, at best, the percentage of violent Muslims is a few numbers bigger than the percentage of violent Christians, which does nothing to disprove the original point that there are lots of violent Christians.
Go on TV

Burn the following
Koran
Bible
Buddha
Torah

See what happens

Take a cross dip it in piss and display it in a major us city and you'll get some angry op ed pieces

Draw the prophet
See what happens

Read the polls I posted
Look at the actual questionnaire

Those are specific to those regions you refer to. That's what they believe

Why does the religion matter? Because they say so when they attack. Is it the majority of muslims? Show me where I said that or harris for that matter. Seriously the best result you get from the Muslim world is double digits supporting suicide bombing. The best. Not a negligible minority at 1 or 2 percent but closer to 20%. That's not a number you can ignore. These aren't groups like africa or the middle east. This is in first world countries. They're literate. They have equation and opportunity. All the factors you quote are gone except for the religion. So we compare them to Christians or Buddhists that have opportunity here but not in other countries where they don't and they don't hold those views, the Muslims do in very high numbers (majority in some cases, like sharia law). That's the difference
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also when you say violent christian it only matters if they are killing you because they're christian. the buddhists killing people in aisia aren't killing people because they're buddhists. if they said buddha demanded it and showed buddhist texts which showed why they have to, it would be a different story
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Oct 29 2014, 02:21 PM
Well all of that happens in Africa and thus doesn't count.
can't believe this was ignored

i give it two hogans

:hogan: :hogan:
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Nov 1 2014, 01:34 PM
Cbear
Oct 29 2014, 07:21 PM
We wouldnt be having any of these discussions if the violence of Islam didnt exist. Nobody would be creating threads saying "hey lets talk about Jesus, Vishnu and Odin". It simply wouldnt even come up. But time and again, violence is committed in the name of Islam so its a hot point.
Not much more than violence is done in the name of Christianity, but you don't see it plastering our news outlets.

We just don't hear about it because Christian violence usually doesn't target the Western world, whereas the violent Islam community hailing from the Middle East has a vendetta against Western society.
let's hear your examples of chritians killing in the name of christianity say in the last 20 years

abortion bombing? even counting those attacks you get single digits supporting it. even the antiabortion groups don't support it.

I'll even start you out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

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Jeff Mondo
Nov 1 2014, 08:43 PM
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Nov 1 2014, 07:05 PM
The point

The moon

Mt everest

Sears tower

Shaquille O'Neal

You





Was referring to Christian groups like the ones huge mma talked about being single digit % of those countries, and less than 1% of Christians


Oh. Okay.

If those Christians are a "very, very small minority", then so are violent Muslims. Because there's a lot of violent Christians out there going by countries of predominant Christian belief that are rife with genocide and terrorism.

I mean, at best, the percentage of violent Muslims is a few numbers bigger than the percentage of violent Christians, which does nothing to disprove the original point that there are lots of violent Christians.
Go on TV

Burn the following
Koran
Bible
Buddha
Torah

See what happens

Take a cross dip it in piss and display it in a major us city and you'll get some angry op ed pieces

Draw the prophet
See what happens

Read the polls I posted
Look at the actual questionnaire

Those are specific to those regions you refer to. That's what they believe

Why does the religion matter? Because they say so when they attack. Is it the majority of muslims? Show me where I said that or harris for that matter. Seriously the best result you get from the Muslim world is double digits supporting suicide bombing. The best. Not a negligible minority at 1 or 2 percent but closer to 20%. That's not a number you can ignore. These aren't groups like africa or the middle east. This is in first world countries. They're literate. They have equation and opportunity. All the factors you quote are gone except for the religion. So we compare them to Christians or Buddhists that have opportunity here but not in other countries where they don't and they don't hold those views, the Muslims do in very high numbers (majority in some cases, like sharia law). That's the difference
I haven't seen these polls or questionnaire you speak of, and I couldn't find it when I tried to sort through the multiple pages in this thread. Can you please refer me to them?

As for everything else you're saying, I don't necessarily disagree with you. The number of Muslims worldwide that ascribe to some of the more unnerving doctrine that's been mentioned is really sick stuff, and a definite problem.

But I'm not targeting those of spiritual faith with vile beliefs.

I'm referring to those that actually carry out the violent actions.

Because if you want to talk about another religion whose global population contains a startling number with vile beliefs, Christianity again is in play. I don't believe in absolving the countless Christians out there who believe that you're going to Hell for not believing in their God simply because a similar belief among Muslims involves a little more physical hostility. They're both disgusting.
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We wouldnt be having any of these discussions if the violence of Islam didnt exist. Nobody would be creating threads saying "hey lets talk about Jesus, Vishnu and Odin". It simply wouldnt even come up. But time and again, violence is committed in the name of Islam so its a hot point.
Not much more than violence is done in the name of Christianity, but you don't see it plastering our news outlets.

We just don't hear about it because Christian violence usually doesn't target the Western world, whereas the violent Islam community hailing from the Middle East has a vendetta against Western society.
let's hear your examples of chritians killing in the name of christianity say in the last 20 years

abortion bombing? even counting those attacks you get single digits supporting it. even the antiabortion groups don't support it.

I'll even start you out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

Not all of those killings involved the assailant screaming "I'm a Christian!"

But you'll have to forgive me when I don't believe in condemning one form of faith-influenced atrocity over the other because it's more verbal.
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here is the general link:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

you're going to have to dig a bit. they list people that often or sometimes support bombing in the graphs, but the other choices were rarely and never. i include rarely in my numbers because the only correct answer is never.

you'll have to actually read the questionnaire which has no index and is hundreds of pages. the suicide bombing question is on pg 58. the other are spread through out. enjoy. no idea why they didn't give you a list, or if i just overlooked it. would save so much time.

the problem with not targetting those with vile beliefs is that that's a larger pool of people to draw form when looking for people to act. it also means they wouldn't oppose it, which is just as bad. less than 10% of germans were nazis, look what happened there.

we do target chrisitians. we do it all the time. we do it in this forum. the butthurt sandy vaginas only rear their ugly heads when we discuss brown people's religions.

who gives a shit where christians think you're going after you die? it isn't real. they could just as easily believe my litte pony is where we go when we die and it would have the same effect on everyone else.

they come out against gay marriage and we equate that to say iran where they kill gays?

is the pope changing how the church views these things at least? looks like they are at elast adapting their views to the modern world, however slowly
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