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Topic Started: Jul 17 2014, 09:36 AM (2,017 Views)
The Juggernaut
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Hamas using "human shields" is a myth.

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Q: The Israeli authorities claim that Hamas and Palestinian armed groups use Palestinian civilians in Gaza as “human shields”. Does Amnesty International have any evidence that this has occurred during the current hostilities?

A: Amnesty International is monitoring and investigating such reports, but does not have evidence at this point that Palestinian civilians have been intentionally used by Hamas or Palestinian armed groups during the current hostilities to “shield” specific locations or military personnel or equipment from Israeli attacks. In previous conflicts Amnesty International has documented that Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law. Reports have also emerged during the current conflict of Hamas urging residents to ignore Israeli warnings to evacuate. However, these calls may have been motivated by a desire to minimize panic and displacement, in any case, such statements are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as “human shields” for fighters, munitions, or military equipment. Under international humanitarian law even if “human shields” are being used Israel’s obligations to protect these civilians would still apply.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israelgaza-conflict-questions-and-answers-2014-07-25
Edited by The Juggernaut, Jul 28 2014, 11:12 PM.
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UN Report: ISRAEL is the one using human shields.

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One of the more explosive allegations in the report is the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants," of which the report says 14 cases have been reported in the last 3 years.

"[Israel's] soldiers have used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings ahead of them and to stand in front of military vehicles in order to stop the throwing of stones against those vehicles," the committee writes in the report, citing the U.N.'s Special Rapporteur on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights and Fundemental Freedoms while Countering Terrorism.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-report-accuses-israeli-forces-of-using-palestinian-children-as-human-shields-abusing-children-in-custody/

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Israel lied about Hamas being behind the kidnappings that started the war.

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After Israel's top leadership exhaustively blamed Hamas for kidnap of 3 teens, they've now admitted killers were acting as "lone cell."


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So the entire swoop on the West Bank against Hamas, which soon escalated into all-out war, was based on a a false premise, uttered by Bibi Netanyahu thus: “Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay.” It’s worth recalling in that context that Hamas had recently been very quiet on the rockets front:Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001


http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/07/27/the-lie-behind-the-war/
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Israel bombs another UN school:

GAZA CITY — Israeli artillery shells slammed into a U.N.-run school sheltering evacuees from the Gaza conflict early Wednesday, killing at least 20 people and wounding dozens as they slept, according to Palestinian health officials and the U.N. agency in charge of the school.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-presses-attack-16-killed-at-un-school/2014/07/30/4a643588-17a5-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html
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Well that was a mistake but hamas did fire a rocket at Israel so those people had it coming tbh.
Edited by spasgur, Jul 30 2014, 03:43 PM.
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i try to read about this shit and care but i just cant...both sides have long been assholes that kill each other based on some bullshit from a book that they think gives them rights to live somewhere! and there is soooooo much propaganda from both sides. fuck em both for being assholes. and fuck them both for involving children in it.


its fucking middle earth over there with the eye of sauron looking for the rings! frodo needs to get there already so this shit can end!
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19nate79

I like the satellite images of hamas rockets landing in gaza. Those are sweet. They go up, over a few blocks and then land. Allah akbar
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Jul 30 2014, 10:53 PM
i try to read about this shit and care but i just cant...both sides have long been assholes that kill each other based on some bullshit from a book that they think gives them rights to live somewhere! and there is soooooo much propaganda from both sides. fuck em both for being assholes. and fuck them both for involving children in it.
I was talking to a good friend of mine, who doesn't follow the news or current events much, about the current fighting and he asked me why they don't just give the Palestinians a state and move on. My thoughts were, it is a fairly simple problem to solve, but the issue is the emotions involved make it much harder than it should be. I feel like if everybody involved would just cool the fuck down for a weekend, they could come up with a solution.

Unfortunately, somehow world peace depends on a minuscule piece of land in the desert, because some ancient book tells people that this strip of land is more important than any other strip of land and is worth dying and killing for.
Edited by Wahoo08, Jul 31 2014, 01:01 AM.
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19nate79

The Muslim world will never accept a Jewish state. Ever. No matter what deal is struck this scene will replay in perpetuity.
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http://m.ynet.co.il/Article.aspx?id=4552451

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It's just a shame this whole sorry situation...


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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/07/death-toll-in-gaza-climbs-israel-calls-up-more-troops/100784/
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that's rough
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john Kerry's doing a fabulous job.
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jmose86
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That first pic is a huge bomb. Everything else I've seen has only taken out one or two buildings.
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Wahoo08
Jul 31 2014, 01:00 AM
Parallelcactus
Jul 30 2014, 10:53 PM
i try to read about this shit and care but i just cant...both sides have long been assholes that kill each other based on some bullshit from a book that they think gives them rights to live somewhere! and there is soooooo much propaganda from both sides. fuck em both for being assholes. and fuck them both for involving children in it.
I was talking to a good friend of mine, who doesn't follow the news or current events much, about the current fighting and he asked me why they don't just give the Palestinians a state and move on. My thoughts were, it is a fairly simple problem to solve, but the issue is the emotions involved make it much harder than it should be. I feel like if everybody involved would just cool the fuck down for a weekend, they could come up with a solution.

Unfortunately, somehow world peace depends on a minuscule piece of land in the desert, because some ancient book tells people that this strip of land is more important than any other strip of land and is worth dying and killing for.
"some ancient book" is full of shit and is so stupid.
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