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War in Israel and Palestine
Topic Started: Jul 17 2014, 09:36 AM (2,019 Views)
ACIDBATHBELFORT

Very well said Juggs. People are always so quick to defend Israel because of the religious implications. Also, being the US fully backs Israel no matter what, the US media distorts the facts. Israel has killed the innocent more times than the enemy.

I also agree, the issue is the Israeli occupation of Palestine with the US backing. I've always wished we would just mind our own damn business.
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Israel bombs a school and a shelter, killing 15 and injuring 200:

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At least 15 people have been reported killed and 200 injured when shells hit a UN school in northern Gaza which was being used as a shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside...


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In an interview with Al Jazeera Chris Gunness, the spokesman for UNRWA, the UN's humanitarian organisation in Gaza, said his organisation had been in contact with Israeli forces as fighting closed in on the shelter.
"We gave the Israelis the precise GPS coordinates of the Beit Hanoun shelter. We were trying to coordinate a window [for evacuation] and that was never granted."


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A witness who arrived at the Kamal Adwan hospital after the bombardment told Al Jazeera: "We were sitting in the school, because we were told it is safe.

"By God, there was not a single fighter, not a single shot was fired from the school. Why did they shoot at the school? Why? Can someone explain that to me? Why would they shell the school?"

Thursday's strike is the fourth time a UN facility has been hit in the 17 days of Israeli bombardment of Gaza.

At least 730 Palestinians have been killed and more than 4,500 injured in Israeli assault.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.html

So what is it Dan? If Israel cares about hitting civilians, then why didn't they tell the UN staff to evacuate the school before firing?

Why are they bombing shelters?

Why should we support the bombing of schools?



Edited by The Juggernaut, Jul 24 2014, 03:09 PM.
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fightfan10
Jul 24 2014, 10:41 AM
why are you posting that link?

if it is to show that isreal's actions are acceptable, you would be wrong.

the link is to a pro isreal blog.
the blogger says about half of the murder victims were innocent civilians, and half were terrorists. but there is a large number of "unknowns"
how the blogger is deciding who is a "terrorist" is unclear to me, i understand that he is using isreal's numbers but how are they getting them?

and the blogger writes from the notion that killing an innocent civilian is acceptable as long as there is a "terrorist" killed in equal proportions.

this is so fucked up.

imagine that your children's* neighbors are criminals.
the police pull up to your street and fire away, killing the criminal... oh and they also killed your children. but don't worry the police claim that they killed an equal number of criminals.
how would you feel?

*if you do not have children use your parents or other loved ones
He's used that weird blog before. One time, he posted an article from then that justified an arab man being charged with rape for having consensual sex with a Jewish women, which she then took back later when she found out he was an arab. They literally defend that racist anti-miscegenation Jim Crowe shit.

As for the amount that's civilians, that too is weird. Actual news outlets put it at 70-80% civilian deaths in the Palestinian casualty count.

Furthermore, there's no indication that the remaining are all "terrorists". Israel is doing things like assassinating POLICE OFFICIALS of Gaza. Maybe cops aren't civilians, but surely they're not terrorists. When they killed the police chief btw, they bombed his house with his whole family in it and killed them too.

Finally, Hamas has killed 32 soldiers and 2 Civilians.

We should be able to expect an advanced army like Israel to keep a ratio at least ALMOST as good as some rag tag group like Hamas.
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those Godless jews..... =)
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19nate79

If Israel would just kill everyone in Gaza the debate would be over. Hamas couldn't launch rockets any more because they'd all be dead and Israel actually would be the bad guy. Everybody wins.
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your hero Ron jeremy won't be proud of u saying that natie. =)
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19nate79

The whole debate is a farce. I'm done taking it seriously
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The Juggernaut
Jul 24 2014, 03:09 PM
Israel bombs a school and a shelter, killing 15 and injuring 200:

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At least 15 people have been reported killed and 200 injured when shells hit a UN school in northern Gaza which was being used as a shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside...


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In an interview with Al Jazeera Chris Gunness, the spokesman for UNRWA, the UN's humanitarian organisation in Gaza, said his organisation had been in contact with Israeli forces as fighting closed in on the shelter.
"We gave the Israelis the precise GPS coordinates of the Beit Hanoun shelter. We were trying to coordinate a window [for evacuation] and that was never granted."


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A witness who arrived at the Kamal Adwan hospital after the bombardment told Al Jazeera: "We were sitting in the school, because we were told it is safe.

"By God, there was not a single fighter, not a single shot was fired from the school. Why did they shoot at the school? Why? Can someone explain that to me? Why would they shell the school?"

Thursday's strike is the fourth time a UN facility has been hit in the 17 days of Israeli bombardment of Gaza.

At least 730 Palestinians have been killed and more than 4,500 injured in Israeli assault.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.html

So what is it Dan? If Israel cares about hitting civilians, then why didn't they tell the UN staff to evacuate the school before firing?

Why are they bombing shelters?

Why should we support the bombing of schools?



Sigh... seriously? You don't know why or are you just feigning ignorance.
Rockets placed in UN Schools by Hamas - http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

And they did warn them, for three straight days. The UN confirmed this and they claim they don't know why people were still in there.

And you don't know WHO shot what. Its equally likely that Hamas hit that building as it is the IDF did. They were going into the building and Hamas fired at the IDF soldiers. As people are so quick to point out, Hamas' weapons are very sophisticated and can't target as well as teh IDF ones can. So whats more likely, a Hamas rocket fired in the general direction of the IDF soldiers going into the building hit the building or the IDF intentionally targeted the building knowing there were children in it?
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Do you want to know what those tunnels were going to be used for? Well here is your answer:

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From the 48 Hamas prisoners that have been captured, the intelligence have been interrogating them and the most terrifying, and horrific picture is being built.

They are being investigated about the many tunnels that have been found and dug under many kibbutzim that surround Gaza. The most terrifying detail is being uncovered that Hamas had a plan to attack all the settlements and kibbutzim in the area this year on Rosh Hashanah with an invasion of over 200 terrorists into almost all the settlements in the area. The tunnels went under the kibbutzim under the kindergartens and dining rooms and other areas within the kibbutz perimeters. They planned to occupy the whole area and kill as many Israelis as possible.


These sick fucks were planning on killing thousands of people on one of our holiest days of the year. Would you have supported this activity by Hamas? Do you not think this is a defensive effort now? Every tunnel needs to be destroyed before this thing ends.
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19nate79
Jul 24 2014, 07:19 PM
If Israel would just kill everyone in Gaza the debate would be over. Hamas couldn't launch rockets any more because they'd all be dead and Israel actually would be the bad guy. Everybody wins.
I dont agree with this at all. The vast majority of people who live in Gaza are good people who are being held hostage by Hamas. You can kill every member of Hamas for all I care, but I am very saddened by the loss of life aside from that. Hamas are evil murdering terrorists and deserve what they seek most, death.
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danl08
Jul 25 2014, 09:44 AM
And they did warn them, for three straight days. The UN confirmed this and they claim they don't know why people were still in there.

And you don't know WHO shot what.
It's hilarious how you parrot the talking points of the spokesmen for a foreign government.

Every single thing you just said was a lie.
Here's what an American reporter had to say about the "it was Hamas11!!!!11" lie:

Richard Engel @RichardEngel · 23h
IDF suggests Hamas rocket/rockets hit school. it would mean five inaccurate rockets all hit a small location in rapid succession. likely?


And here is what the UN says:

UNRWA chief tells us agency was not given any warning before strikes on school.
UNRWA says: first strike was in school playground. People moved to the classrooms. then classroom struck. coming up @NBCNightlyNews
UNRWA says it has "no evidence to suggest that" school was used by militants as human shields

You've resorted to lying at this point, which is the only way any sane person could defend Israeli barbarism at this point.


Edited by The Juggernaut, Jul 25 2014, 04:10 PM.
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ISRAEL REJECTS PEACE.


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GAZA CITY — Israel's Security Cabinet unanimously rejected a cease-fire proposal Friday that called for a week-long truce in the deadly conflict.

The proposal by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called for a temporary pause in fighting to allow Israelis and Palestinians to broker a broader deal. Israeli TV reported the deal was rejected mainly because Israel would have to cut short its effort at destroying Hamas tunnels.

Meanwhile, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon told troops Friday that Israel may significantly widen the Gaza ground operation.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/25/israel-gaza-conflict/13147175/
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those filthy jews provided the concrete for the tunnels and America said don't do it. hahaha
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And after a long and excruciating 12-hour truce we're finally getting some action again:

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Israeli jets have struck several sites in Gaza, including a refugee camp and a building inside the compound housing the strip's largest hospital, disrupting a relative lull at the start of a major Muslim holiday.

Monday’s airstrikes followed an almost 12-hour pause in fighting and came as international efforts intensified to end the three-week war between Israel and Hamas.

Medics said that an Israeli missile hit a building close to the main gate of Shifa hospital in Gaza City on Monday, with an AFP correspondent reporting damage to the inside of the gate itself.

In a separate attack, at least seven children were killed in an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp, medics said.

The children were playing on a swing when the strike hit a park in the Shati refugee camp on the edge of Gaza City, Ayman Sahabani, the head of the emergency room at Shifa hospital, told the Associated Press.



The United Nations on Monday called for an "immediate" ceasefire in the fighting that has already killed more than 1,040 Palestinians, 43 Israeli soldiers and three civilians on the Israeli side.

At least two more Palestinians were killed on Monday. A four-year-old boy died when tank shells hit his family's house in Jabaliya, in the northern Gaza Strip, Gaza health officials said. Another person was killed by tank shelling in a separate incident, also in Jabaliya.

The military said at least a dozen rockets had been fired from Gaza at Israel since midnight.



http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/deaths-as-israel-resumes-gaza-strikes-20147281452469626.html
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^^ Yep, the jews bombed a park with kids in it and ten are dead, with nine out of the ten being under twelve.. These cocksuckers had the balls to use the Hamas excuse again.

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