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War in Israel and Palestine
Topic Started: Jul 17 2014, 09:36 AM (2,012 Views)
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Are you guys following what's going on in Israel and Palestine right now? I realize this has been going on for a while now, but the events as of late seem to be rather new. Every report I am hearing is basically that Israel is committing war crimes. I know Palestine's hands aren't clean, but don't they just want the same things that Israel wanted for themselves?
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No one's hands are clean - but it's nice to see our media finally acknowledging the other side of things.

It's a sad, sad situation that we need to wash our hands of imo.
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sigh.... no Israel is not committing war crimes or you'd hear that non-stop from the UN. They have every right to protect its own citizens and attack Hamas who are shooting hundreds of rockets daily into civilian populations (war crime), using civilians as human shields (war crime) and directly targeting a nuclear reactor in Dimona (war crime). They are also housing their missiles in schools, mosques, hospitals and residential homes.

Think of it like this: What if Cuba decided to shoot hundreds of missiles daily at Miami and south FL? What would the US response be? Would we make targeted strikes at missile launch locations or would we "SHOCK AND AWE" the fuckers back to the Stone Age? Of course, no reasonable nation can allow it neighbors to shoot rockets at its citizens on a daily basis for years on end without a response.

And NO, they do not want the same things as the Israelis do. Hamas wants to kill every Jew in Israel until there is no more Israel. Israel wants to be left alone. They do this from a small strip of land called Gaza which Israel gave to them 9 years ago. Instead of building a beautiful "Singapore on the Mediterranean", they built a repository for terror and spent all their money on rockets and tunnels. Israel built bomb shelters to protect its citizens and Hamas built bunkers to store their rockets in.
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That's a very slanted view of how it is. You know damn well it's not "just" self defense.
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Jul 17 2014, 04:56 PM
That's a very slanted view of how it is. You know damn well it's not "just" self defense.
When did Israel attack Gaza? Before or after the rockets were flying at Israeli cities?

Yeah, I do have a slanted view on this, I readily admit. But I also feel that Israel is not the aggressor and at some point you have to fight back. Hamas knows that this might be their last chance to use all these missiles they have been storing for years now and they are going to shoot them all off. I'm not sure how anyone can defend waht Hamas is doing and condemn Israel for trying to protect its citizens.
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No one is defending Hamas.

most people condemn both.

That entire region is a wasteland and no one is the "good guy" in that fight.
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No one invited the jews. they came to the middle east uninvited. i could care less about either side. i hope they both destroy each other.
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Jul 17 2014, 05:33 PM
No one invited the jews. they came to the middle east uninvited. i could care less about either side. i hope they both destroy each other.
I can't believe I even going to respond to this stupidity, but here goes....

Jews have been living there continuously for centuries, go look it up.
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It's their land. They can kill anyone who tries to settle there. It's their birthright. God said so.
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They're both little bitches who fight like fucking cunts. Hamas are piece of shit terrorists and Israel are a bunch of thieves who love taking our money but give nothing in return. Fuck them both.
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danl08
Jul 17 2014, 04:55 PM
sigh.... no Israel is not committing war crimes or you'd hear that non-stop from the UN. They have every right to protect its own citizens and attack Hamas who are shooting hundreds of rockets daily into civilian populations (war crime), using civilians as human shields (war crime) and directly targeting a nuclear reactor in Dimona (war crime). They are also housing their missiles in schools, mosques, hospitals and residential homes.

Think of it like this: What if Cuba decided to shoot hundreds of missiles daily at Miami and south FL? What would the US response be? Would we make targeted strikes at missile launch locations or would we "SHOCK AND AWE" the fuckers back to the Stone Age? Of course, no reasonable nation can allow it neighbors to shoot rockets at its citizens on a daily basis for years on end without a response.

And NO, they do not want the same things as the Israelis do. Hamas wants to kill every Jew in Israel until there is no more Israel. Israel wants to be left alone. They do this from a small strip of land called Gaza which Israel gave to them 9 years ago. Instead of building a beautiful "Singapore on the Mediterranean", they built a repository for terror and spent all their money on rockets and tunnels. Israel built bomb shelters to protect its citizens and Hamas built bunkers to store their rockets in.
Uh, tons of innocent civilians including children are being killed. Yesterday 4 boys on a beach were blown up. What military target was on the beach? Do you watch Fox News exclusively?
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danl08
Jul 17 2014, 06:02 PM
Strongo
Jul 17 2014, 05:33 PM
No one invited the jews. they came to the middle east uninvited. i could care less about either side. i hope they both destroy each other.
I can't believe I even going to respond to this stupidity, but here goes....

Jews have been living there continuously for centuries, go look it up.
So have muslims
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Skeletonrock
Jul 17 2014, 07:06 PM
danl08
Jul 17 2014, 04:55 PM
sigh.... no Israel is not committing war crimes or you'd hear that non-stop from the UN. They have every right to protect its own citizens and attack Hamas who are shooting hundreds of rockets daily into civilian populations (war crime), using civilians as human shields (war crime) and directly targeting a nuclear reactor in Dimona (war crime). They are also housing their missiles in schools, mosques, hospitals and residential homes.

Think of it like this: What if Cuba decided to shoot hundreds of missiles daily at Miami and south FL? What would the US response be? Would we make targeted strikes at missile launch locations or would we "SHOCK AND AWE" the fuckers back to the Stone Age? Of course, no reasonable nation can allow it neighbors to shoot rockets at its citizens on a daily basis for years on end without a response.

And NO, they do not want the same things as the Israelis do. Hamas wants to kill every Jew in Israel until there is no more Israel. Israel wants to be left alone. They do this from a small strip of land called Gaza which Israel gave to them 9 years ago. Instead of building a beautiful "Singapore on the Mediterranean", they built a repository for terror and spent all their money on rockets and tunnels. Israel built bomb shelters to protect its citizens and Hamas built bunkers to store their rockets in.
Uh, tons of innocent civilians including children are being killed. Yesterday 4 boys on a beach were blown up. What military target was on the beach? Do you watch Fox News exclusively?
Saying that Hamas straps children to their chests as human shields so when they get shot while firing on Israel is barely an exaggeration. Here's a simple answer to your question though: they made a mistake. It sucks but it happens.
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19nate79
Jul 17 2014, 08:43 PM
Saying that Hamas straps children to their chests as human shields so when they get shot while firing on Israel is barely an exaggeration. Here's a simple answer to your question though: they made a mistake. It sucks but it happens.
They make tons of mistakes then
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The hurt between these two groups can never be healed, right? I mean, they will never agree and always hate each other, am I wrong? What can be done here? Anything?
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