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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 19 2009, 05:30 AM (635 Views) | |
| Crazy Bird Lady | Dec 19 2009, 05:30 AM Post #1 |
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My baby blue bub is dead, he kept gasping for air but he looked like he was retching and about to vomit. For the last 3 or 4 feedings, he would gag, no matter how I fed him, via syringe, or crop needle he would gag, he would refuse food, so I had no choice, I gave him only very little. Half of the recommended amount so he would not aspirate. I am paranoid, but I guess not enough. Something happened a few days ago when with mom, after I took him from her, I noted that he wouldnt beg for food and would always turn away. It was a battle to get anything into him, that is why I had to crop feed. My guees is there MUST have either been a seed or hull or something stuck in the windpipe that was small enough to allow him to have labored breathing, but when fed, it must have been more difficult to maintain an airway. There was no other reason for the breathing getting worse after or during a feed. I wish now that I never put them back with the mother. They were doing well with the handfeeding, in fact this bub was the better eater. I noted his breathing was more labored than the other even at rest. The problem is, there is NO way for me or a vet to remove a seed from the airway. There is always that risk when any seed eating bird eats seeds, even adults die from that. Too bad there was no type of suction or vaccume that could be used. I tried to actually do reverse cpr, and suck from the nose, but nothing worked. U have NO idea how FRUSTRATING and helpless the feeling is to not be able to save the cute little baby when u see it struggling. I KNOW it was mechanical and I was hoping he would chuck it up or pass it down or that it would desintigrate. I have a friend who is a scientist and may ask him to to a post on the bub, to see what or if the airway was plugged with a seed. I didnt think the bird would die, I thought he would struggle like he did and then it would disipate. It just got worse and within 30 seconds of the gagging, he just died in my hand. I want to f'n swear so much I have to stop typing or I will be booted off this site. I actually took a video clip of the gagging to post to see if anyone else has seen this. I didnt expect him to pass. I will post the gagging so you all can be aware, but to what use, I dont know. I will call my vet and ask what can be done in a situation like this, but I fear, nothing, but I will ask anyway. What a ROTTEN day. I hate it.
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| Tishrei | Dec 19 2009, 05:39 AM Post #2 |
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OH MY GOSH -- I don't even know what to say -- I'm sooo sorry. |
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| Crazy Bird Lady | Dec 19 2009, 05:42 AM Post #3 |
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Tish, these bubs are so beautiful and sweet and to see it suffer and gasp like that was torture, no matter what I tried there is just NOTHING I could do. I rack my brain, I look in hindsite, I just KICK myself for putting it back with mom. That ONE thing could have made all the difference. ONE simple wrong decision can make the difference between life and death, JUST that quick. Its BEYOND sickening for me. |
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| Tishrei | Dec 19 2009, 05:55 AM Post #4 |
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I can only imagine -- and really, I am so very sorry that this happened -- both what you went through and that little birdy. |
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| Crazy Bird Lady | Dec 19 2009, 06:24 AM Post #5 |
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Thanks Tish.
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| Pass | Dec 19 2009, 11:06 AM Post #6 |
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I am very sorry CBL. Are you sure it was mechanical as a lot of my bubs that died in the previous clutches had laboured breathing that got worse and then they died. I found trichomoniasis and candida albicans in their fecal smears. |
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| VIOLET12 | Dec 19 2009, 02:55 PM Post #7 |
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WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't believe what I just read. I'm sooooooo sorry CBL you try so hard and he was your fav. Wish I could come over and give you a "big hug!"
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| Crazy Bird Lady | Dec 19 2009, 03:56 PM Post #8 |
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Pass u are right on one account, it was not mechanical as in a blockage, it was my fault. I conferred with a vet friend in Australia, I sent him the history and the video clip. This is his assessment. He thinks the bub had either air sacculitis or the equivalent of pnemonia. If I had just fed the bird and let it be when I saw the labored breathing, his heart rate may have slowed down enough for him to catch his breath. Even when I fed him with a syringe one small mouthful at a time, he would gasp, but not as bad as when in hand and struggling against the crop needle. I would have been better off not holding the bird, but putting him in a lined cup and giving small mouthfuls at a time. I was of the mind, get the food in fast in one shot with a crop needle and let him be, but I mistook his gasping for gagging and that was my downfall that cost him his little life. I could kick myself for not knowing. So had I just left the bird in the brooder right after feeding it and not try to handle it and assume it was choking as the bird looked like it was gagging. Now I know that it is struggling for air. We know for sure it was not aspiration of food, or it would have died instantly and I mean within 1 to 2 seconds. I have seen that before. This gasping and effort to breath was about 1 minute or two in total. He needed time to catch his breath. I had just switched this meds to doxy for respirtory but Im sure it was too late. To see him grow to my fav pin feather stage and then lose him was brutal. An absolute brutal lesson. I think the moral is to NOT hesitate with respitory and to immediately crop medicate at this age. The needles cause bruising and via mouth syringe is not enough as they spit out most of the doseage. I would also in hindsite inject thru the crop wall, this may be best at that young age. My friend and I did check the trachea, and it was fine, in tact, no blockage that we could find. We did a gross necropsy and I refused to go further than that, I didnt want the baby all cut up. Please learn from my mistake. Treat sooner than later directly. I initally was putting the meds in the water that the mom had but if she doesnt drink enough, the bubs wont get a good dose. Another think I learned is this, the trachea is very tough and the opening smaller than an 18 guage crop needle so, if you are crop tubing a budgie, it is very safe to use the larger needles as the head cant possibly go down into the trachea if u are using a 14 guage needle. The only risk is aspiration via a fluid if u pump the syringe on the way in or out by accident. Just be careful. I always take my hand off the plunger and hold it by the plastic syringe. What an absolute pity. My loss. |
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| cspags | Dec 19 2009, 04:13 PM Post #9 |
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Maryann I am so very sorry for your loss. Maryann you are way too hard on yourself! You do the very best you can and make the best decision possible "in the moment", you are asking yourself to have 20/20 hindsight vision, not possible. Please try to be kinder to yourself. I am sending you a Huge Virtual hug. |
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| cspags | Dec 19 2009, 04:22 PM Post #10 |
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Maryann if one of my little lovies was ill you would be the first person I reached out to. |
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