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| Legend | November 11, 2009, 10:50 am Post #31 |
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I didn't hear anything about that. Care to shead some light as to what happened exactly? Like what was their reaction, are they building a new moon base etc? |
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| KamikazeHD | November 11, 2009, 12:52 pm Post #32 |
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Well Nasa was pretty fucking pissed. It's a multi-billion dollar project to construct a new addition to the moon base they have been building the past 10 years. I heard a couple astronauts died. :( |
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| Hellfire | November 11, 2009, 11:06 pm Post #33 |
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One of the moon's volcanos erupted, and the lava took out a whole wing of a moon base NASA was building. |
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| KamikazeHD | November 11, 2009, 11:24 pm Post #34 |
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That sucked, my heart goes out to those brave astronauts. :( |
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| Legend | November 11, 2009, 11:47 pm Post #35 |
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Brave? They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They had no idea the volcano was going to erupt otherwise they wouldn't have been there. |
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| Hellfire | November 12, 2009, 10:27 am Post #36 |
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Dude, they agreed to go to the moon. Do you know what the moon is lacking in a great amount? OXYGEN! Y'know, that thing we need to breathe? That sounds pretty brave to me. |
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| Legend | November 12, 2009, 12:04 pm Post #37 |
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They have ways of getting oxygen on the moon, *oxygen tanks.* |
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| KamikazeHD | November 12, 2009, 12:49 pm Post #38 |
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Legend, I have a confession to make. There are no volcanoes on the moon. The moon is geologically inactive, I lied to see who would believe me thinking at the time, more than just you would post... but now I see that was false hope, as you were the only one who posted. I'm sorry I tricked you, but I thought it would be a better joke than this. I guess no one is into scientific debates like us. |
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| Legend | November 12, 2009, 9:22 pm Post #39 |
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You know there are many ways to get oxygen from the moon so you can breath it. Just look at the many examples: "Lunar Oxygen About 85% of the weight of a typical spacecraft at launch is the oxygen used for rocket fuel. Since oxygen is the most abundant element in lunar soil, comprising nearly half of the lunar regolith by weight, oxygen mined from the moon can play a critical role in space industries. Besides giving us considerable leverage in our development of a space transportation system, lunar oxygen can become one of the lunar community's most important economic exports. Lunar oxygen, condensed into liquid and stored in tanks made from lunar metals, can be shipped economically from the moon to refuel spacecraft throughout cislunar space. In fact, one of the early development goals of the Artemis Project is to provide this refueling service to passenger-carrying spacecraft in low Earth orbit. That extra fuel load gives a commercial passenger spacecraft what it needs to fly all the way to the moon, land, and return to low Earth orbit without need for another refueling. In this scenario, we would refill the oxygen tanks on the moon before the passenger craft takes off for Earth, delivering another load of oxygen for the next customer. This is a wonderful scenario, but first we have to get the oxygen out of the moon's soil. There is also this: "Lunar Soil First, Find Some Ilmenite Moon dust is a mixture of many different minerals, and nearly all of them contain oxgyen in considerable abundance. One of the most common lunar minerals is ilmenite, a mixture of iron, titanium, and oxygen. (Ilmenite also often contains other metals such as magnesium which we'll blithely ignore here.) For this discussion, we'll concentrate on extracting oxygen from ilmenite because there's lots of the stuff available, and because the chemical processes involved are fairly straightforward." You should see the formula as well: FeTiO3 +H2 -------> Fe +TiO2 +H2O -------> H2 +1/2 O2 Lunar Oxygen Extraction Pilot Plant The process starts with regolith-handling robots bringing raw moon dust to the pilot plant. There, with a system we could design to be the size of a briefcase for the first flight, the pilot plant takes over. Once the process is going, the hydrogen we get from electrolysis of water can be recycled and used for the next load of ilmenite. But to get it started with an initial supply of hydrogen, we need only heat the raw regolith to about 600 degrees C. That will drive off hydrogen (along with a host of other interesting gasses, such as helium) that we use to reduce the first load of lunar soil. Figure 4.3.10.4-1 Lunar Oxygen Pilot Plant The robot dumps the moon soil into a hopper, which filters the dust into the first reaction chamber. Here we use simple solar reflectors to heat the vessel and drive off the volatile gasses. Heating the vessel provides the gas pressure we need to move the gasses to the separation unit, which pumps hydrogen into the hydrogen tank and the rest of the gasses into the next industrial process down the line. The regolith and hydrogen are introduced into another chamber where more solar heating is used to raise the temperature above 900 deg C, where the hydrogen will reduce ilmenite into iron and rutile. Gaseous water vapor is pumped on to the electrolysis vessel. If we raise the temperature above 1,525 deg C, the iron will melt and separate out from the solids, leaving the rutile behind. The rutile will decompose at 1,640 deg C before it melts. Electrolysis is simply the process of applying electricity to water to cause it to separate into oxygen and hydrogen. We use photovoltaic solar cells to generate the electricity. Each of these gasses will collect at an opposite pole of the electrolyis apparatus. From there the hydrogen is pumped into the hydrogen storage tank, where in joins other hydrogen extract directly from the regolith in the initial heating process. The oxygen is pumped into a storage tank where it is condensed into liquid form for use as rocket propellant or introduced into the lunar settlement's life support system. This article barely scratches the surface. We would like to carry a small pilot plant on the first Artemis Project manned mission, perhaps even on an earlier robotic flight. To do that, we have to answer a host of technical questions and then design, develop, and manufacture the pilot plant. Many areas of further investigation are open for your amusement: detail the processes inside those mysterious reaction chambers determine what temperatures are required in each reaction chamber calculate how much power is needed for pumps define the exact method to be used for separating gasses during the preheating process design a holding facility for the gasses design instrumentation to control and monitor the process, and to report the experimental results design the solar reflectors used for heating the reaction chambers detailed design and fabrication of a small pilot plant fabricate a prototype oxygen plant for experimentation on Earth tromp out into the desert and scoop up some basaltic fines for use in the prototype plant develop an economic model for the lunar oxygen business" Just one of the many ways to get oxygen so there is NOTHING to worry about. Did I miss anything Kami? |
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| Wicked | November 12, 2009, 9:35 pm Post #40 |
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I so can't be fucked reading that. Oh and, I'm happy to see this thread up and running and yet again the same people in here :P |
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