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| Legend | May 1, 2009, 11:54 pm Post #181 |
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But when you first draw a line, it has a beginning which is when you put your pen onto paper, that is the very beginning of the line. Time has no beginning? How can you prove that? Time is measured by how fast the Earth revolves around the sun. Time didn't exist until the Earth and the sun and the revolving around the sun was made, THAT was the very beginning of time. And time will be going on forever until we stop revolving around the sun because we will never be able to measure time ever again without judging by how far the sun is into the sky. At the very beginning of all beginnings, even then time didn't exist, time all started when planets revolved around the sun, that is how we get hours, minutes, seconds, years etc. So yes time DID have a beginning Kamikaze, so yes that argument is flawed. You can't say it goes on forever in an infinite chain, it HAS to have started somewhere. Like chicken and the egg, it had to have started with either the chicken or the egg. You can't just say that the chicken came from the egg and the egg came from another chicken that was brought up in the egg that came from another chicken etc. You are just going around in circles and that gets you nowhere. |
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| Wicked | May 2, 2009, 12:32 am Post #182 |
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That's how 'our' time works, it still goes on even when we weren't here. It wasn't created before, because we weren't here before to create it. |
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| Legend | May 2, 2009, 12:43 am Post #183 |
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but at that time a second didn't exist because a second is measured by Earth revolving around the sun. Time didn't exist at that...time :P |
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| Wicked | May 2, 2009, 12:52 am Post #184 |
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HAHA. You are completely right but....time did still go on. Like the universe did grow and did evolve through time. Even though it wasn't called time until the Earth started to revolve around the sun and humans created the concept everything doesn't and didn't stop still. |
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| Legend | May 2, 2009, 1:23 am Post #185 |
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Lol yeah, just like to hear what Kami would have to say. |
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| KamikazeHD | May 2, 2009, 7:17 am Post #186 |
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Dude... you have no ****ing clue lmao. Time is relevant, which is kind of what wicked said when he said: That's how 'our' time works, it still goes on even when we weren't here. I don't want to get into massive detail because that would take a long time. Time has always existed, people did not make it, they didn't invent it, planets didn't start it, not even the universe did. Our time is just a way for us to help us coordinate events and much, much more. If you were from another planet though, let's say you were from Neptune. Our "Earth Time" would not work there because the planet spins at a different rate and the orbit is bigger, BUT that does not mean that time has changed. It is still going at the same rate though (for the most part) you would notice no difference in time if you went there, everything would go the same speed, your clocks would still run the same, etc. Time is separate from all of that, you may have heard of dimensions? Well, we exist in the 3rd dimension, so does everything else you can see. Time exists in the 4th, this dimension cannot be effected by us although it can seem altered. This is where time gets tricky. Depending on your speed through space, time can also change. Example: If I got into a space ship that could travel the speed of light, or very close to it, and went out into space and flew around for a few minutes, when I got back to Earth, even though I only experienced a few minutes of time people on Earth may have experienced days, if not months of time passing. Now how can this be? Well, there is a very scientific way to explain it but I would rather say, it just is. This is because time is relevant. Back to the thing about it having a beginning and having an end. This is not so, time being in its separate dimension does not experience things like "beginnings" and "ends", even our dimension of space does not experience beginnings or ends. Now you may again say, "how can this be?" Well, here's how that works. Things in space are made of matter, matter is never created nor destroyed, same thing applies to energy. It has always existed, but how it exists is a different story. Let's follow some matter through a timeline. Say you take a bucket of water. You measure its mass, that should never change if we follow the same matter. Let's say it is 10 kg. Now if we could track every atom of this bucket of water we would discover it never loses its mass. We evaporate the water, now it is water vapor, still 10 kg. We cool it down and it sublimates into ice. Still 10 kg. Now we superheat it into plasma and it still ways 10 kg. As you can see it never ends. Nothing really has a beginning or an end if you think of it this way. Maybe certain things such as planets or people have beginnings or endings but space and time do not. Infinity. Sorry for the giant paragraph, I didn't feel like splitting it up. xD Edited by KamikazeHD, May 2, 2009, 7:18 am.
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| CrazY | May 2, 2009, 8:07 am Post #187 |
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So, if we were to stop revolving round the sun or the sun suddenly supernovas, time stops? Wow, seems kinda silly IMO. Someone: "STOP! Time no longer exists!" *Everyone and everything in existence stops moving* Yeeaah... |
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| Wicked | May 2, 2009, 11:23 am Post #188 |
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Thanks Kami, that's pretty much what I was trying to say, but you (obviously) have alot more facts and knowledge than me to explain it better. But all the things you said is what I was getting at. lol. |
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| Legend | May 2, 2009, 11:46 am Post #189 |
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Wow, not even gonna read that, no sentence structure, no paragraphs, it looks like it'll take forever to read. |
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| KamikazeHD | May 2, 2009, 11:55 am Post #190 |
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Read it you ****ing moron, I wrote it for you so you would understand the subject matter. If you really want me to split it up, even though it's the same amount of words, here you go: Dude... you have no ****ing clue lmao. Time is relevant, which is kind of what wicked said when he said: That's how 'our' time works, it still goes on even when we weren't here. I don't want to get into massive detail because that would take a long time. Time has always existed, people did not make it, they didn't invent it, planets didn't start it, not even the universe did. Our time is just a way for us to help us coordinate events and much, much more. If you were from another planet though, let's say you were from Neptune. Our "Earth Time" would not work there because the planet spins at a different rate and the orbit is bigger, BUT that does not mean that time has changed. It is still going at the same rate though (for the most part) you would notice no difference in time if you went there, everything would go the same speed, your clocks would still run the same, etc. Time is separate from all of that, you may have heard of dimensions? Well, we exist in the 3rd dimension, so does everything else you can see. Time exists in the 4th, this dimension cannot be effected by us although it can seem altered. This is where time gets tricky. Depending on your speed through space, time can also change. Example: If I got into a space ship that could travel the speed of light, or very close to it, and went out into space and flew around for a few minutes, when I got back to Earth, even though I only experienced a few minutes of time people on Earth may have experienced days, if not months of time passing. Now how can this be? Well, there is a very scientific way to explain it but I would rather say, it just is. This is because time is relevant. Back to the thing about it having a beginning and having an end. This is not so, time being in its separate dimension does not experience things like "beginnings" and "ends", even our dimension of space does not experience beginnings or ends. Now you may again say, "how can this be?" Well, here's how that works. Things in space are made of matter, matter is never created nor destroyed, same thing applies to energy. It has always existed, but how it exists is a different story. Let's follow some matter through a timeline. Say you take a bucket of water. You measure its mass, that should never change if we follow the same matter. Let's say it is 10 kg. Now if we could track every atom of this bucket of water we would discover it never loses its mass. We evaporate the water, now it is water vapor, still 10 kg. We cool it down and it sublimates into ice. Still 10 kg. Now we superheat it into plasma and it still ways 10 kg. As you can see it never ends. Nothing really has a beginning or an end if you think of it this way. Maybe certain things such as planets or people have beginnings or endings but space and time do not. Infinity. Happy you ignorant ****? |
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