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| alphastickmania | Jun 17 2008, 11:20 AM Post #1 |
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New to ISML? Or been here since it started? Well, I suppose it is about time this issue about certain lousy (Anti-moe) avatars to be resolved. I am jumping the gun a little bit but from now on, if you have an image of/with an ISML participant that you think will get more votes or simply look better if the picture was made into the avatar for her, go ahead and suggest here. Even if you don't have an image but think that an avatar too horrid to look at now due to the obvious pixels, feel free to mention here. (No complaining about us having done a bad job making it. It is usually the original image poor quality.) Lastly, if you can do image editing yourself, have the software to do so (No using Mircosoft Paint) and want to contribute to improving the avatars, post up your images here and state the name of the character that you want to make a replacement avatar for. If it approved (With minhtam2448), go ahead and start working on it. Please note that you should not use fan art that is too different from the original drawings of the character. (If it almost completely similar, just ask here.) ALso, we have a usual standard on the avatars. So if you end up making something below quality, we will tell you and you can try and redo it or give up and wait for us to do it instead. And for those who wants the specs to make them, they will be given to you upon presentation of a suitable image of a character which is accepted. Current Avatar Makers: Crisu Ichigo-Sora Inactive Avatar Makers: <--- This one. Summary : 1. Post the image you want to have be made into an avatar here and wait for our response. 2. If you want to make one yourself, post the image here and wait for approval. (And the specs for making it if it is you first time) 3. If you want a change of an avatar but have nothing, you can simply ask for a change and wait. Edited by alphastickmania, Jul 15 2008, 07:11 AM.
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 17 2008, 03:11 PM Post #2 |
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I have to requests for avatar changes, if that's okay ^^ Hanyuu:  --->  Text version:  Louise:  --->  or  or  or  Text versions:     I hope they're okay ^^" |
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| Crisu | Jun 17 2008, 07:12 PM Post #3 |
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For people who want to make avatars, use the Lithograph font (found on the Internet) and these specifications (for Adobe Photoshop users): Font Size : 20 Bevel : Inner, Raised Bevel Type : Flat, Smooth, Ruffle (Pick one) Angle : 315 (Well... usually.) Drop Shadow : Opacity at 60 - 80 % (Usually) Shadow Distance : 3px Shadow Color : Similar to font color as in a color close to it (whichever makes text clearer or stand out better) I'd post more that I've made but Photobucket is being nasty to me right now, and I can't see any of Ichigo's images. |
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 17 2008, 08:03 PM Post #4 |
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I've re-uploaded them on another host, just in case it's because photobucket isn't working. Hanyuu:  Text Version:  Louise:     Text Versions:    
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| Crisu | Jun 17 2008, 08:16 PM Post #5 |
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Hanyuu looks nice.  I like Louise 1 and 4. I guess she doesn't have a consistent hair color? 1 and 3 seem a bit low on the contrast.Anyway, should we go for having the names in a uniform place? I'm always making mine in the upper right corner regardless of the image. It's a challenge sometimes, though, and I wonder if I should go with a different corner... Oh, and do we want them to have a 1px black border around them? The Contestant page JPGs have borders while the Voting page GIFs don't. Also, why are there two versions? x.x Why can't we use just one filetype for both? Edited by Crisu, Jun 17 2008, 08:27 PM.
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| alphastickmania | Jun 18 2008, 04:48 AM Post #6 |
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.gif is smaller in size. So I guess it weighs down less on the server. The reason for .jpg is because it is supposed to have better quality in comparison with .gif, which the human eye cannot notice. About names in uniform place, I don't wish to say anything about that. It is not necessary to have all the names in the same spot. It depends on how nice the name looks with the avatar at the end of the day. About borders... maybe. If we really want them, it shouldn't be black. About the avatars, we still have to wait for minhtam's answer. (Someone get him over here!!!) I am all for the Hanyuu change, although I prefer it if she got sharpen just by a bit for a slightly clearer image. About Louise, if I have to choose, I say the second one. However, I really hope that you could try to get some other picture instead, while keeping her hair color the constant usual pink, and not with the glow of a flame. Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 18 2008, 04:58 AM.
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 18 2008, 12:43 PM Post #7 |
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Slightly sharper versions of the Hanyuu one:  And two additional Louise ones (I tried to choose pictures that had her usual pink hair colour):    
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 18 2008, 05:14 PM Post #8 |
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Hanyuu - approved. Send one JPG and one GIF version to hendrickfan66@yahoo.com Louise - while I agree that the current Louise one we have is horrible, I'm not really feeling the current ones presented. Maybe come up with some more and I should be able to pick one of them out. |
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 19 2008, 06:01 PM Post #9 |
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Since I didn't have much to do, I went image hunting for more Louise pictures to turn into avatars:         
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| Crisu | Jun 19 2008, 06:59 PM Post #10 |
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I like second row on the left. And I have a few more:  ,  ,  ,  , 
Edited by Crisu, Jun 19 2008, 07:03 PM.
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| bubbleum | Jun 19 2008, 07:57 PM Post #11 |
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Nice job on the avatars! I hope it wouldn't be too insolent on my part if I make a request for a few Chikaru and Tamao avatars without actually giving any pics, would it? I'm happy with the current ones, but I'm definitely not satisfied with the standings and W/L ratio... So my last hope is in changing the pictures. But honestly I think all of them need to be changed (except the already replaced of course) as I clearly remember what happened after Suigintou's new avatar - there was definitely a boost in her votes (Btw, if anyone has that pic feel free to send it :)). Anyway, if noone is interested in my request then just leave me a quick note. Thanks! |
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| Crisu | Jun 20 2008, 02:19 AM Post #12 |
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You'll have to supply some pictures. ^^; My usual source lacks Strawberry Panic stuff except for an artbook of drawings (and our avatars have all been anime stuff). However I just have this one to offer:  Not sure if you like it. ^^; EDIT: More Tsuruya and Sakura Matou and Sayuri:  ,  ,  . (current ->)  ,  . (current ->)  ,  (current ->)
Edited by Crisu, Jun 20 2008, 03:45 AM.
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| bubbleum | Jun 20 2008, 09:15 AM Post #13 |
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Like it? Love it!  Regarding the SP fan art - well, that's something pretty impossible to be found. There are either mediocre scribbles (at least they are trying) or there isn't anything at all. And I don't really find the lack of fan art surprising - after all SP is a yuri anime and there aren't really that many people who are interested in that genre. I believe SP is first of all a romance anime, but that's another story. There are these rare fan-made pics which are actually quite impressive, but they're even harder to be found. So everything I can offer is taken from the anime. I made a few profile pics a few months ago, so that's everything I currently have: http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm263/bubbleum/ I'm sure Psieye posted a few Chikaru pictures, so if you're not happy with my pictures you could always have a look at his findings. If you are currently in the middle of something (as I see you're constantly updating the avatars), then just say so and I'll see if I can do it on my own. Btw the Tamao pic is really hot! 
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 20 2008, 02:51 PM Post #14 |
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Approving the following. Send a JPG and GIF to my e-mail.
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| alphastickmania | Jun 20 2008, 03:56 PM Post #15 |
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If you guys don't mind, send me the .png, .jpg and .gif as well. I am going to store them. Something like the backup for all the images and things like that. E-mail : alphastickmania@hotmail.com Also, great job done over here, Crisu & Ichigo-Sora. We are all a team already, I guess (Avid slacker you are looking at here.) Updated first post. Edit : In case you are worried, no, I will not do anything to the accepted avatars. I am only going to store them. Edit 2 : bubble, if you want avatar quick, you could do it yourself. But if you want Ichigo or Crisu to do it, they probably won't take too long. The only one who will probably take a while is me. So chances are unless I reach my rest period, I will not be making much avatars. Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 22 2008, 12:01 AM.
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| Crisu | Jun 21 2008, 11:37 AM Post #16 |
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Will get the requested avatars emailed shortly. For now, I've uploaded all the PSDs I've created so far to a folder. http://www.desertmoon.org/crisu/saimoe/avatars/ If you want to manipulate them in any way, it's fine by me. For most of the PSDs, the layers within are larger than the 125x125 canvas. So if you want to nudge a girl's face a few pixels to the left, there's still part of her hair/clothes that you'll uncover. I have a Hanyuu to offer if minhminh-sama wanted more options:  @bubble: Thank you for the compliments. I did see Psieye's post and will try to avatarize one of those images. However, what's the best resolution of your SP screencaps? The profile pictures you have do look nice, and one of those poses could be represented well in an avatar. But a bigger source image would help a ton.EDIT: After looking at Sayuri again, I'm not quite satisfied with her: ,  ,  The girl has a rather inconsistent hair color. The middle one is the original image; the right one is my recoloring of her hair. Plus I sharpened up the first one a bit (already replaced the old file). Edited by Crisu, Jun 21 2008, 12:29 PM.
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 21 2008, 02:26 PM Post #17 |
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crisu, do note that the names don't always have to be on the top right corner. Just use it to fit the avatar. |
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| bubbleum | Jun 22 2008, 09:43 AM Post #18 |
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How could I possibly not compliment you since all the amazing work you've done . Ok, enough fawning for one day  The default resolution for the screencaps is 640 x 480, seems like that's the best I can get. If there's anything else I can do for you, I'd gladly be willing to help with anything. I'm actually feeling a bit uneasy right now, bumping requests like that without contributing with anything. I know a few things about photoshop (just a few to be honest) and if any of you needs me, it'll be my pleasure working with you guys. That's the least I can do (curse my politeness, there goes my summer vacation ). One more thing - Crisu, I believe alphastickmania is currently or soon will be working too on this, so I think you two should cooperate somehow (if you haven't done it by now), to prevent the "both worked on the same thing" situation. |
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| Crisu | Jun 23 2008, 01:07 PM Post #19 |
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Latest output. =>   =>  ,  ,   =>   =>  ,  ,  ,  ,   =>   =>  ,  ,  ,  =>  ,  ,   =>   =>  ,  ,   =>  ,  I know I don't always have to use the upper-right corner, but I prefer to try and stay consistent. :heh: Or keep some sort of standard; I'll try to pick or position a picture appropriately though. Edited by Crisu, Jun 23 2008, 03:18 PM.
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 23 2008, 04:05 PM Post #20 |
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Crisu, I like the avatars ^^ For Eri, I like the 2nd one, for Chikaru I like the 3rd one, for Teletha I like the 2nd one, and for Alice I like the 1st one ^^  --->   --->   --->  |
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| Crisu | Jun 23 2008, 05:28 PM Post #21 |
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On AnimeSuki I'm getting mixed opinions on the Matsuri and C.C. Some actually like the original Alice, which is okay. There are some votes for the third new Teletha, too. I'm trying not to break the anime-only "rule" of avatars. There are plenty nice manga images of, say, Shana or Kinomoto Sakura, but I'm trying to be consistent with all the other avatars. Chikaru has to be an exception because of lack of anime-style artwork. And I gave that one Matsuri avatar a try; so far one person on AS has liked it above the rest. Those Hayate ones rock. Very nice placement for Nagi.
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 23 2008, 10:35 PM Post #22 |
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Too many to count... I'll just do a set of eight at a time... one I can handle. The following avatars have been accepted. Crisu (From your queue, I'll start with five of the ones who don't have impressive records at this point): Ichigo-sora:
Edited by minhtam2448, Jun 24 2008, 03:57 PM.
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| alphastickmania | Jun 24 2008, 10:50 AM Post #23 |
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From a personal point of view, I say that some of the avatars made for the characters do not really suit their personality and so on very well. Otherwise, most of them are fine. From an official standpoint, though. I feel that some of them are a little to fan art like for me to believe. (Are they really from the original artist?) For the ones minhtam accepted, they are alright. Although I would like to suggest we use Season 2 art for Chiaki as the first season looks kinda... funny. With that, I will spare some time tomorrow to get some better avatars for the low quality avatars that are not given attention. ^^; Edit : Just to repeat, as avatars are accepted, please send me a copy of the .png, .jpg and .gif formats of the relevant avatars as well as I keep all these as backup. Thanks a lot for your extra effort taken again once more. Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 24 2008, 10:54 AM.
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 24 2008, 03:56 PM Post #24 |
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Actually, on second thought, I think I'll hold off on Chiaki for a moment and see if there are better options. Chiaki replaced with Matsuri in the next batch. Edited by minhtam2448, Jun 24 2008, 03:58 PM.
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| Crisu | Jun 24 2008, 07:07 PM Post #25 |
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Email sent with RAR file. Also, view all PSDs at http://www.desertmoon.org/crisu/saimoe/avatars/ I know that Chiaki isn't the best; might have to let someone else try it since Moe Imouto doesn't have enough scans of her. @alpha: Except for Chikaru, everything I source from is official art. It's stuff that appears in anime magazines, posters, or paraphenalia. Should always be by the studio who produced the anime. (And I thought season one Minami-ke was much better in terms of character design. o.o) |
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| alphastickmania | Jun 25 2008, 12:36 PM Post #26 |
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.psd files... -_-; (nvm, I can change them to .png myself. ^^ Nevertheless, thanks a lot.) Anyway, just for information about today... I just want to say I screwed up in more ways than one so I didn't have much avatar time. Anyway, I saw a couple interesting images for those I am working on (Well, 3.). On a side note, Kyon's sister seems to be more challenging to find. I will put up something next time I post here. I am currently working on : Nodoka Kyon's Sister (So it means if you have already done it or something, tell me. If not, save these for me. I am working on them.)
Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 27 2008, 11:52 AM.
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| Crisu | Jun 25 2008, 04:34 PM Post #27 |
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Alpha, you should have gotten the latest email, too. And I made some Tsuruya above already, but you're open to make a better one, too. |
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| Ichigo-Sora | Jun 25 2008, 10:31 PM Post #28 |
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Made a bunch more ^^" --->   --->     --->     --->   ---> 
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| Crisu | Jun 26 2008, 06:38 PM Post #29 |
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Awesome. Touka - great! Nayuki - middle one! Mai - hm.. middle .. or would like to see more Shinku - very nice! Kagami - better than current, but could be betterer. :3 Also, I have a new Fate at the request of Demi (her greatest supporter) 
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| alphastickmania | Jun 27 2008, 12:01 PM Post #30 |
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Crisu : Noted. I will not be working on her then. Now for the avatars... Touka changes looks great! For Mai, I think the first is good enough too. However... for Nayuki, could you make the (middle) image a little clearer? I know what it looks like from the anime and blur effects but for avatars, let's try to focus on how clear/sharp the image is. (It looks good but just give it a little contrast or something) I think the middle one is good too. For Shinku, no comment as I have never watched Rozen before. For Kagami, try another picture. ^^ btw, Crisu. I think that Fate... is very nice but people who do not watch enough anime (and are not sharp enough) might mistake her for another character. I have no suggestions on how the misleading look of the image could be improved but it is alright. (Maybe zoom out a bit? Make the hair color a bit more similar?) And just out of curiosity... are you guys students or working adults in real life? I feel completely like the least active around here nowadays. ^_^; Edit : O.o I just found the post where Crisu says he is a working adult. 
Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 27 2008, 12:04 PM.
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| minhtam2448 | Jun 27 2008, 03:28 PM Post #31 |
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No acceptances now, as I'll still have to work on getting Crisu's 5 up there officially. But my two cents - Shinku's is very unnatural, and so is Kagami's so I'd try getting another image out there. |
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| Crisu | Jun 28 2008, 07:35 AM Post #32 |
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@alpha: Who could people mistake Fate for? ^^; I was hoping her barrier jacket would identify her enough, even though it's Sonic Form and not the default one. The red belts, though? Overall, Demi just didn't want Fate to have the same profile picture and avatar (we argued about it for Yurie some time earlier). So if minhtam ends up refusing the new avatar, I can submit a profile graphic using that source image instead. Also, I guess I'm half-student-half-worker. I'm still a university student one year away from a Master's degree. But I help pay for the education by being a mentor/tutor/counselor to underclassmen on campus. So it's summertime for me, and I have ample free time to do things. ^^; minhtam would be more free, but he has a lot of big-family things to do, too (my family is a lot smaller). Plus, I guess graduate students end up having more free time overall despite the agonizing work of research papers. But it's not completely time-consuming homeworks or lab reports that I had in my undergraduate days. Edited by Crisu, Jun 28 2008, 07:39 AM.
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| alphastickmania | Jun 29 2008, 02:46 AM Post #33 |
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Well, I understand that Demi doesn't want the avatar to come from the same RAW as the profile picture. But (I had phrased it wrongly, maybe.) people might not recognise her more than mistake her. I have seen picture of other characters from places I can't remember anymore and it is obvious that some people might have only seen Fate before and no one like her but nevertheless, they might not recognise her. If I had to point out the possibilities... they would be : 1. Her hair. The color has a glow on it so it is off the usual color by a bit. Also, her hair style here looks quite different. 2. People who have watched the series a long time ago might not remember her Sonic Form. As fail as it is (For me), I have completely forgot till you mentioned it was her Sonic Form. This is one of the less likely cases but it is still possible that some might not recognise her. 3. Overall, the lighting placed on her really made the whole picture better. Unfortunately, the anime does not have such high standard ever, so this becomes another possibility of mistaking or failing to recognise. So if there wasn't the word Fate on the picture, I wouldn't have known it was her. To sum up, if people do not mistake her for another character, they might not recognise them. People who knows English can tell it is Fate straight away from the wording but for some who rely purely on the image and cannot understand English or recognise the letters "Fate" is likely not to know who she is. Note : I can't use proper words to describe it, but that picture seems to be just doesn't have the "feel". (Something like it doesn't give off the vibes that says, "Hey! It's Fate from the Nanoha Series!".) Edited by alphastickmania, Jun 29 2008, 02:47 AM.
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| Demi. | Jun 29 2008, 03:34 PM Post #34 |
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Hm, I don't want to make a large debate out of this, but certainly the image I picked is no different than say Hinagiku's or Nagi's(Let's face it, she looks nothing like she does in the anime) or even Suigintou's avatar image. All three are official art, but none of them are exact representations of the anime. Ofcourse not, because the anime Isn't the only representation of the character. Fate is very easily recognizable, I honestly don't know how anyone could see otherwise. From what I understand, as long as the image is official(which that image is) then there are no other restrictions. I merely picked out a nice official image, it wasn't meant to fool people into thinking Fate is someone else. For ichigo Sora's images; for Nayuki and Mai... I go with the first on both. ^^ Edited by Demi., Jun 29 2008, 03:39 PM.
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| alphastickmania | Jun 30 2008, 10:51 AM Post #35 |
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Demi. The truth is I am more afraid that there are people who cannot understand English one bit and have only watched the anime version of her. Nagi's and Hina's images are not the same. But the similarities are very obvious. I am not and have no intentions of accusing you of anything. However, my suspicisions are simply that there might be problems arising from the chosen avatar replacement. I seldom mention anything about other avatars but I just feel that this one, regardless of whether it is official or not, is a little too misleading by nature. Also, if you have seen many mangas, doujins and whatever more, there are characters who's features are very similar to hers, or rather her features in this picture. So the ones who might mistake her are those who have seen so many of these. Of course if they understand English they will say, "Oh... So this is a picture of Fate." But the ones who don't will have a different opinion aboutit. Prehaps like "Who might this be?" or "ISML is still accepting new candidates?". Well, chances are not that high but these are still possible issues. I don't think it is a bad image or anything like that. I think it looks good. But whether it is clear enough that it's Fate or not is another thing. It doesn't have to be exact representation of the anime (That's why Nagi and Hina was taken) but it should be distinctly clear. At the end of the day, it is minhtam's decision to make. I only give my opinion of it. So far most of the avatars are wonderful and surely have surpass most of those which I have made. But I simply prefer an image everyone can recognise easily. Not one that most can recognise. So yeah. Case closed. Wait for minhtam. Meanwhile, everything else proceeds as normal. |
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| Demi. | Jun 30 2008, 03:54 PM Post #36 |
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I disagree, Hina and Nagi's image look far less similar to her animated self than Fate's, imo... But in the end It's Minhtam's decision like you said, so I'll just wait and see what he decides, before I jump the gun and find a new one. But I don't know any character from doujins that has the same features as Fate does in that image. Fate has so many distinct features, that i can't see otherwise. If the person voting has never watched MGLN, then why does it matter what they think? How would they know which images represent Fate the best and which are misleading? All official images are meant to be misleading anyways because the character's are always drawn much better than in the anime. Anyways, whataver the decision, It's fine by me, I don't want to start an argument only a day after I finally registered to this board. Altough I do love arguments. XD Edited by Demi., Jun 30 2008, 04:53 PM.
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| Crisu | Jun 30 2008, 08:40 PM Post #37 |
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I wonder if it's the lack of twintails in the avatar that's the problem. But the red belts are definitely a feature of Fate. Random Shinku: 
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| alphastickmania | Jul 1 2008, 01:31 AM Post #38 |
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Looks nice. I would vote for this avatar change. About the Fate picture, yeah. The twintails will probably make it very distinct. (If it is those usual ones, yep.) Demi : Two things, I never talked about those who never watched the series before. The idea is for the character to be well distinguished. Whether it looks like the animated version or not, it doesn't really matter (As you quoted minhtam, he already said as long as it's official.). This issue is like further reducing possiblities of mistaking or not recognising only. As simple as that. Edited by alphastickmania, Jul 1 2008, 10:59 AM.
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| minhtam2448 | Jul 1 2008, 04:44 PM Post #39 |
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You guys are way too fast and quick for me. The following avatars are now approved: Crisu: Not a huge fan of the Chiaki image you posted - Personally, I think she looks worse. For Shinku, while I agree it is somewhat of an upgrade, the avatar is giving me an impression that she is distressed, which is not what I'm pulling for.
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| Demi. | Jul 2 2008, 12:16 AM Post #40 |
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That C.C. image is pretty terribly, but I don't think moe official images of C.C. exist regardless. The rest look nice though. |
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| Crisu | Jul 2 2008, 12:45 AM Post #41 |
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Email sent out. Yeah it's a pretty subpar Chiaki. Really gotta go look for better sources. Will work further on Shinku, but Ichigo is welcome to jump back in, too. ^^ EDIT: New Vita 
Edited by Crisu, Jul 2 2008, 03:38 PM.
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| Demi. | Jul 4 2008, 04:34 PM Post #42 |
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Great Vita image Crisu, I hope It's used. |
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