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Summoning Events only in Kerning/Henesys/FM
Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 02:56 PM (215 Views)
Zeek
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Bleh, just forget it. All I want people to know is that Genesis on 3 targets does not crash the SERVER, although it may temporarily lag a few people, but any public event will do that anyway.

And most of all, I'm sorry. Lock the topic if you will. I don't mean anything bad here, I just get caught up in proving things that I'm sure of.
Edited by Zeek, Dec 19 2008, 07:56 PM.
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Reiatz
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What a very ignorant post, please do your research first. Genesis crashes the server when I spawn things and there are loads of people in the map. I did not say you couldn't use it because "It's godly" I told you to stop using it because it lags the server when 20+ people are in a map and 2-3 bosses are spawned. Nautilus is fine enough to spawn, it doesn't matter where the hell we spawn stuff for that matter. Learn to aim your Angel ray or use Shining ray, it's not that hard. If you want to do some damage, don't make a mage or a bishop.

I plainly asked you to stop casting Genesis but you go ahead and cast it anyways ignoring a GM's word. If you want us to actually help you out in your complain against people "hogging" bosses, then at least respect us. At this moment you've really lost a lot of my respect, and I might have to warn you for just being ignorant and trying to start something.
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^ +1, And anyways most of the events Map Wide skills are asked not to be used. I don't see how countering the request by asking that other skills not be used is a reasonable request.

Sure I personally don't like that map but just because you can't use a map wide skill when asked not to I don't see a reason to limit events to specific maps at this rate.
Edited by Sweeper, Dec 19 2008, 03:20 PM.
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Reiatz
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Not to mention the fact that the event I was holding wasn't a serious one. I was testing some of the new bosses in the data. I use nautilus a lot because it's a big map and you have to run around like a scavenger hunt to kill the monster first. There's also plenty of flat places to spawn on for some good battles, if I was planning on doing a serious boss battle I'd spawn it on an easier map.
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Jesus
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Not our fault you made a priest just so you could leech your other characters. Give and take woman. And stop QQing. Thanks.
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Zeek
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Varietal
Dec 19 2008, 03:03 PM
Learn to aim your Angel ray or use Shining ray, it's not that hard. If you want to do some damage, don't make a mage or a bishop.


I can aim just fine. I got from 90-105 by blasting Death Teddies and Master Death Teddies with Shining Ray, sometimes on small platforms. I also can telecast Angel Ray all around decent maps and not have any problem. I have tons of skill in this game, as the friends I've done Zakum with can vouch for. And half the reason of making the Bishop was that I do damage. And lots of it.

And I wasn't trying to make a personal attack or something. I've had a problem with a GM before on another server because they were stupid, and I called them out for it and had a ban overturned. There's nothing of that magnitude going on here, which is why this was posted as a suggestion for future events and such. I'm sure I'm not the first Bishop who's fallen off an uneven and short platform and used Genesis because it was easier, and I certainly won't be the last. If you don't like Genesis for whatever reason, then spawn something on a flat surface where Angel Ray is going to be better DPS and less of an MP waste anyway. Again, it's just a suggestion.

But yeah, it's not going to crash the server on 3 targets. It just won't. There's some other problem if the server does crash, and it's impossible to pinpoint the reason. Maybe some F/P Mage was in Zakum poisoning all the summons that are immune to fire and ice damage. Maybe some Chief Bandits had Pickpocket on and were spawning tons of coins. Maybe the bosses themselves were faulty. With three bosses, Genesis makes three vertical beams to other players and the little wings effect. That's it graphically. The rapidfire Hurricanes and Triple Throws putting up 100 numbers a second are far more stressful on a server.

And if Genesis was going to crash a server, 15 targets with 6 people in the room and like 60 summons loose at Zakum is far more likely to do so than 20 people and 3 monsters. I don't normally argue the decision of a Gamemaster, but this is so utterly incomprehensible that I felt the need to say something about it. It's about as believeable as "don't kill the small slimes in Kerning PQ for better prizes." No matter how many people think that Genesis is the server crashing skill of doom, it doesn't make it true. And it's absolutely absurd that when I'm not even lagging from it on 502 MB of RAM that I'd get jailed because someone thinks I'm going to shut the server down.
Edited by Zeek, Dec 19 2008, 05:21 PM.
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Jenny
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Boo!
MAP SKILLS LAG PEOPLE! I do not know what part you are not getting.....
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Leg

^this

Nautilus is by far one of the most interesting maps to have a spawn event in. Limiting the spawn events to Kerning, Henesys, and the FM rooms would be borring as hell.

Also, if you can aim so well with SR and AR, why didn't you switch after Dom told you not to spam Genesis?
Edited by Leg, Dec 19 2008, 05:23 PM.
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Jennay
Dec 19 2008, 05:17 PM
MAP SKILLS LAG PEOPLE! I do not know what part you are not getting.....
This.

For people with not so up to date computers/laptops full map attacks lag like hell.
If i was still using my laptop and i went to an event with 20+ people attacking and people using full map skills i don't think i would even be able to move. At least not using those skills makes it fair for people with not so great computers.
I don't understand why your getting upset.
You do what? 50k with genesis?
And 15/20k with Angel Ray?
Considering angel ray is faster than genesis just use that instead.
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Zeek
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Jennay
Dec 19 2008, 05:17 PM
MAP SKILLS LAG PEOPLE! I do not know what part you are not getting.....
It may lag your video card if you don't have enough RAM. Yes, if 10 Archmages show up and spam Blizzard/Meteor Storm all at once, it's going to graphically cause you to lose frames until they're properly cached. You may even disconnect if your computer sucks. But 30 people attacking in one map, regardless of class, will do exactly the same.

But the game server isn't doing the graphics. It only sends the data to your client, and your computer displays what it gets in data. Meanwhile, the game server is handing hundred upon hundreds of maps per channel, most with tons of spawned monsters, with or without players interacting within them. What does stress the server is too much happening in one map, because the server has to send the actions of 30 players back out to 30 other players. ANY attack that hits 3 targets is going to send the same amount of data as any other attack that hits all 3 targets. Yes, Bishops and Archmages can hit 15 targets at once, but only if 15 exist.

I don't know what part you are not comprehending.
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Jesus
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What she's trying to say is that they want to maintain fairness for everyone. Sure you can complain about how you can't use genesis, but if we let you use genesis, we'll have people complaining about how they can't see what theyre doing due to the large amount of frame rate loss that's happening in 25% or more of the people in the event.
You can't make everyone happy, you can only try to make the majority happy.
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Jenny
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Boo!
I don't use my map skill out of common courtesy to other players... It isn't always about damage.....

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jitter
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I don't know about the lag or FPS issue with Genesis. I don't think I've lagged before because of it. I can say however that it's a little bit annoying and extremely distracting in some situations, and it's not really necessary either. If you want to feel like you're contributing in a significant way towards a boss battle then do it with some other skill that doesn't bother the people around you.

As for mobility on certain maps - it's all about how you control your character. You have a 13x or 14x or whatever Captain, recoil shot and wings should be more than enough to follow a monster around the Nautilus Port map. You flaunt that particular character ALL the time, so why are you complaining about how your Bishop can't deal with the GM summons? I would think you would use the summons as an opportunity to show off some more.
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Zeek
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I stopped using Genesis so someone could enter Zakum without disconnecting, then after she died from a OHKO (she had done damage with her Night Lord, but relogged to her 5X Pirate to loot), finished the Zakum and resurrected her. I understand doing or not doing things for other players.

But events are going to lag people, regardless of which attack can and cannot be used. You just can't show up for an event and not go down to 20 FPS or less if you don't have a top-of-the-line computer. And if you don't lag out after 2-3 Genesis casts, your computer should cache them and it has very little effect from then on. There weren't 50 people there or 100 spawned monsters, so a couple of Genesis uses were going to have a minor effect. Part of the reason I ended up using it anyway is not out of spite for others or anything, but because I was being accused of crashing the entire server, which is completely false.

You've got to understand that I'm not sitting behind some insane processor with many Gigabytes of RAM. If anything, the laptop I was on is below the average of what people have. If I'm lagging really bad, then I won't cast Genesis anymore. But if I'm barely losing frames and other people are lagging out, then they need to either upgrade to a computer that isn't from the 90's, or not show up at events because they can't handle it. At some point, it's not my fault that other people are using subpar technology. The question is where the line is, and to me, that event, at the time I was jailed, was nowhere near that.

As for getting knocked off and not getting back up, I suck at Jump Quests. I really do. And I don't know the Port map all that well, so perhaps I was trying to climb back up in the wrong place. And I admit I get a little discouraged when I get knocked down enough times. But also, Genesis is easy to use. That paticular boss had a 1/1 attack, and from where I was casting Genesis, it couldn't hit me, so it was much simpler to stand below and use Genesis. And as for damage, Angel Ray is better for single targets, but on 3 targets I'm doing 150K a Genesis, not 15K per Angel Ray hit or 21K for hitting all three with Shining Ray. And I do figure I'm contributing. Back to Zakum, I had a Bowmaster and Night Lord hitting arms while I blasted them with Genesis, and after the first four arms were down, I started getting white EXP for the rest, meaning I had done the most damage to them. I'd consider that worthwhile.
Edited by Zeek, Dec 19 2008, 06:02 PM.
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Jesus
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Listen, the fact of the matter still remains. If a GM during an event so chooses to say no map skills in courtesy of people who just happen to have 'a computer from the '90s', don't choose to be a rebel. It's not going to help you at all. 150k or 20k, if you choose to disobey the GM, you're going to get punished.
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