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| Sweeper | Feb 20 2009, 06:49 PM Post #1 |
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I understand this whole concept of NX. I know some people like it while others don't. I don't simply because it's very vulnerable to abuse and needs to be monitored as shown by the current experiences. But what I want to suggest is to sell Pets, Pet Items, Pet Closeness items again in the NPC for mesos, It is just a ridiculous amount to be able to get a pet and have it equipped properly. It's like roughly 15k+ NX just to get a pet, the rate is pretty low to get NX so you have to spend quite a while to get a pet and equip it. Not Newcomer friendly IMO. And AP/SP resets I believe should be sold again, HT is supposedly working so washing is probably a must. AP/SP resets cost 3k for AP and up to 12k for 4th job SP. It's just too much for the current rate. People tend to want to wash and well you already have a free resetter why not allow being able to sell resets but for 1 pt each so washing is available. So ultimately it would be a lot better if you sold pets, items, and resets again. |
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| Reiatz | Feb 20 2009, 06:51 PM Post #2 |
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We want people earning their NX this time, and well... they have too. Don't really see a problem o.o |
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| Skye | Feb 20 2009, 07:21 PM Post #3 |
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Dylan lowered the exchange rate dramatically, it's at 1k nx/card now. This is really, really low, and cards don't drop often. In 1 level, if you're lucky, you might find 2 cards. That's barely enough to HP wash with, let alone get a pet and all the equipment that goes with it. And THEN you still need to worry about NX clothing if you really care about it. I understand the earning NX thing, but this is just really too difficult. Just.. bring it up a little higher again? Anywhere between 1.5k-2k would have been fine. Edited by Skye, Feb 20 2009, 07:22 PM.
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| Zeek | Feb 20 2009, 07:28 PM Post #4 |
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Just another average member
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You can afford to HP wash okay, but the problem is that if you do, you pretty much don't get to Gach ever. And until we get the player shops that let people purchase items from other players other than the big ticket ones like Chaos Scrolls, you're basically condemning ranged classes to either do decent damage by Gaching for exclusive equips/scrolls OR survive Horntail. If AP Resets were something more along the lines of 1200 NX each, then there'd be enough NX to wash a few times per level and get a handful of Gachapon tickets, but at the current cost, it'll pretty much eat up all of the NX for a bowman or night lord or corsair, while the classes that don't need to wash are getting Pink Gaia Capes and Dragon weapons from Gachapon. I'd definitely vouch for adding AP resets for sale by mesos, even if it's 5m a pop at the current meso/drop rate. It's not like any of us would pay for 300 resets and not even blink at the cost like I know I've done pre-wipe. Edit: I just washed 5 points from a level 117 Ranger that hadn't washed yet. That makes him go from 3324 HP to 3411, a gain of 87 points at a cost of 15,500 NX. At the current drop/exchange rate, that's...a bit steep considering Right Pianus does a tad under 5K and the HP to survive Horntail is like, 5300 before Hyper Body? I know I'll gain HP with levels, but to hit 5000 HP within a decent level, I'm still looking at a 150K-200K NX cost @ 1K per card that otherwise could be spent on Gachapon or Super Megaphones. Pets I don't see as a problem, since it's like, a one time cost of a pet plus each equip, although Wing Boots and Binoculars were blocked from purchase last I checked. Edited by Zeek, Feb 20 2009, 07:52 PM.
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| Sweeper | Feb 20 2009, 08:38 PM Post #5 |
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Wow, I didn't even take gach into consideration lol. Anywho thats just more crap, because the gachapon lists are according to the old system that just means that you have to get alot of NX to get alot of Gachapon just so you can get decent items since the gach was full of crap. |
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| Gotejjeken | Feb 20 2009, 09:19 PM Post #6 |
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I actually think 1K is pretty fair. We shouldn't have 30k warriors on the server, and washing should be a heck of a lot harder than it was. You still don't even need to buy INT equips thanks to @resetstats still working perfectly, all you need is to buy a couple of AP resets. Sure they are expensive, as they should be. As far as gach is concerned, I wouldn't care if it was put back as a drop, just with a lower rate. That way people still get to gach, and washing is a chore. If it were up to me (since we want to make this harder), I'd take out @resetstats and let people get INT gear like you have to in GMS. Sure it has crap in it, so does the GMS one. At least you don't have to pay anything here besides time, I know I've burned a few real dollars to get stuck with some red potions in GMS. I don't know about professions as I haven't got to 50 yet, however I like the server this way. Sure my character got wiped, but it only takes a couple hours to level back to 100. The only thing I'm mad about is my 10 ATK self-scrolled glove is gone lol, I know it isn't much but it's the first time I've done it. Speaking of that, the scroll rate is a bit too low now I fear. It'd be cool to increase it a bit, nothing like it was before though, my whole use inventory was almost full last time with scrolls they dropped so much. |
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| Smiley | Feb 20 2009, 10:00 PM Post #7 |
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You guys are so difficulty oriented! >O Fun plox. :[ Considering that pre-wipe I would seriously buy stat resets like, constantly, about 5-10 each level, sometimes more/less, I'm thinking yeah, up the NX rate or make the resets meso-buyable. The cost really adds up, and if people barely finding the NX in the first place is true, I could imagine that when it comes to HT, it would be easy to find ranged people that WANTED to participate, but hard to find people that COULD. |
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| Sweeper | Feb 21 2009, 01:55 AM Post #8 |
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Yuh, Neko got to lvl 200 without washing prewipe, He had about... 4.3k HP I believe on a BM.(Neko, if you read this correct me if I'm wrong) Considering people want to HT and supposedly it is working here then of course organized guilds will kill it, but it will come with so much difficulty without washing. Some people seem to misunderstand how easy it is to wash in GMS, it really just requires the $$ to do so because that's what Nexon is about. I already talked to Dylan and he said he was going to let this topic marinate before he made a decision, maybe he should have some test runs himself to fight HT and then he will understand just how important being able to wash is. Sure it seems that to have people with 8-11k+ HP is alot but to be honest it's not like it comes for free it would cost mesos and MP. And I don't think its a big deal that people can survive more then 1 hit from a monster... hell you do from levels 1- to just about 110 don't you? |
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| Gotejjeken | Feb 21 2009, 02:18 AM Post #9 |
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Originally it was meant for Bowmen and Thieves to die easily to just about anything. In every server thus far (except here) I've played a Bowman, so I can attest to that grossly low HP. I'm not going to go overboard here and say that washing should be banned and we should be hardcore and use only HP equips when we want to HT, but I also don't think it should be super easy like it was pre-wipe. I'm sticking with 1K NX cards and decreased gach card drops so everyone can gach and wash and be happy >_>. |
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| wietepiet | Feb 21 2009, 03:27 AM Post #10 |
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~Never Alone~
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But we don't want it to be super easy. We just want to be able to hp wash again. I have a sniper atm which is at lvl 91, it has around 3k hp thanks to the job advancement bonuses. But I hardly get nx to buy gach tickets and have no spare money for resets. And as someone already said, you'd need around 200k of nx just to hp wash efficiently. So, I'm for making resets sell through mesos again. As for pets, that's not that hard really >.<'' And remember things shouldn't be TOO easy. |
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| Myles | Feb 21 2009, 05:25 AM Post #11 |
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I like the pets the way they are at the moment. This server is too hard to get into it for newcomers. It's too GMS-like. The fantasy of loads of new people joining has died off. No-ones going to join when the server isn't beginner friendly. Remember, most of PSever players play PSevers to have fun, to get away from GMS, not to be put into a server where they want to be GMS with a little higher EXP. Sorry, but I seriously doubt the wipe paid off, since you are losing more people than you are gaining. |
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| Zeek | Feb 21 2009, 06:19 AM Post #12 |
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Just another average member
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Honestly, 30K HP warriors are somewhat redundant if they aren't Dark Knights. Sure, there are various points at which a Paladin/Hero can now take an Anego slap or two Bigfoot touches or have enough HP to take a 1/1 hit from Zakum, have Achilles reduce it by 15%, and still have enough HP left to survive the next hit if it isn't touch damage. But besides Anego, which most warriors won't be doing even with 30,000 HP, they're not as truly critical compared to the magic numbers of the ranged characters and their HP, which becomes a game of can they so much as survive one hit at places they should reasonably be able to. Now I understand that with Beserk, the max HP means a lot more, but with Hyper Body and the warrior washing formulas, it doesn't take too much for a Dark Knight to hit really high max HP numbers once they're 135+ already, but really, Dark Knights aren't exactly broken even if they're still doing 2x damage with 11,000 current HP. So back to the ranged characters. 11K HP (as my old Marksman had) is rather extreme, and had required I buy some 400 AP resets and level up with only INT for base stats + INT equips + MW 19 from 1-140 or so. Anyone who levels normally, even with the use of @resetstats and begging for 2% worth of leeching, probably won't be able to attain that kind of HP even with unlimited resets. But how much should they have? The unbuffed key amount is in the 5300-5600 area. 5000 HP allows someone to do Right Pianus without Hyper Body. 5500 or so lets them take ranged damage from Anego, which is a bit more important than it used to be with the respawn rate that never lets you completely clear out the left side. And somewhere in those mid 5K's are the numbers that, with Hyper Body, lets a ranged character take Black Crow hits (important in BHPQ), survive Pap bombs (the 8K ones spawn on the bottom in private servers when they should only spawn on top platforms going by GMS), and, of course, Horntail. Now, honestly, I do get the wanting people to earn things, and in retrospect, perhaps even 250K worth of NX is obtainable in the long run, since that's only 291 Gachapon tickets worth and can probably be earned by a Bishop in a week or two. And it's not like people can't just accumulate 4000 MP on their bowmen and just leave it and slowly wash it later. But still, it kinda hurts to lose all that Gaching power just to be able to survive stuff. Perhaps, though, Dylan could take the useless bowties out of Sleepywood Gachapon and make it give out AP resets instead. That way, we still have a supply limited by NX, but magicians can sell/trade them to other classes as well as the ranged attackers getting them while Gaching for 30% scrolls and Chaos Scrolls and such. |
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| Neko | Feb 21 2009, 10:09 AM Post #13 |
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Insanity
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@ Sweeper, 4.8k hp at lvl 200 BM without washing. I think the rates and nx system are fine as they are, gives you something to do and more motivation to train which means more nx cards that you will get in the long run. I think the problem here is that the people got used to earn a lot of gach, being able to hp wash at same time and have godly scrolled items in no time to make their leveling easy. As someone stated before you are still able to reset your stats for free and put into int before leveling and slowly wash it later. Hp washing shouldn't be that easy, 14k base hp ranged characters aren't fun at all and by the time that they are able to deal a decent amount of damage to horntail they will have enough hp to survive. Not like you want 8-9k base hp at lvl 120 if you're gonna be hitting 1s or miss.... |
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| Zeek | Feb 21 2009, 10:22 AM Post #14 |
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Just another average member
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I actually think bowmen have a bit more HP now or something. I have 4071 HP on my 128 Bowmaster, having only washed 9 points worth. Add in 100 HP for each the bosshunter armor and helm (and another 100 if I use Bosshunter Greaves and not Facestompers) and I'll only need another 50-60 washes and some levels to survive various things. But I also need to see more spear and polearm users around if we're gonna Horntail on this server and I can't wash to 8K HP. |
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| Neko | Feb 21 2009, 10:40 AM Post #15 |
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Insanity
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Yeah, thats because I advanced everytime without getting the hp/mp boost that 3rd and 4th job advance gives now. And I'm sure there will be some Dark Knights around like me. |
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