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| Dr. Drew on Healthcare; Looking for Dr. Drew's thoughts | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 29 2009, 01:39 PM (520 Views) | |
| youthinksoo | Jul 29 2009, 01:39 PM Post #1 |
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Hello all, I am curious to know, as I have not listened to Loveline in sometime, has Dr. Drew given an opinion on the Soviet-Style healthcare legislation Barack Obama is trying to implement? I seriously have been searching youtube to try find any recent audio with his thoughts on this issue. Thanks 
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| RWgirl | Jul 29 2009, 05:05 PM Post #2 |
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Soviet style? Wat. I think you are watching too much Fox news. This healthcare bill is nothing like the UHC most of the world has, it's certainly nothing like the former USSR had. That would be impossible in a non-centralized economy. Obama certainly isn't advocating for Stalin's tiered system that provided better healthcare to the bourgeoisie mostly balanced on the backs of the proletariat. There's also no plans to take control of the medical system from the medical schools to the hospitals to the pharma companies. It's not a single payer system either (not an aspect of Soviet healthcare, but what I suspect you are talking about), and Drew said back in the days of Dr Drew live that he'd support a non-single payer system. He's said before that he likes the way the VA hospitals are run and that gives him hope that the government could figure out how to run a decent healthcare system. Drew hates insurance companies. Drew has stated that UHC would be great and he's love to spend his time treating patients and not fighting with insurance companies. He has had many rants about insurance companies. He hates that insurance companies get in the way of him doing his job. He's stated that most Americans probably won't be happy with UHC because everyone wants the perks of private insurance, but that level of care won't be feasable to provide. He's said that a compromise might be to streamline our current free healthcare system so all Americans at least have basic coverage. Drew has said he'd like to see greater emphasis on prevention like in many other countries. Edited by RWgirl, Jul 29 2009, 05:54 PM.
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| youthinksoo | Jul 30 2009, 08:53 AM Post #3 |
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Fox News? No thanks, I don't listen to liberal propaganda. I don't even watch TV actually. It most certainly is a single-payer system. The Government does not need to show a profit like insurance companies. When small businesses have the option to put employees on a FREE healthplan, they most certainly won't pay extra for a private plan. It doesn't help that Obama is assaulting the private sector with MASSIVE tax hikes (the magic 250k or more), yeah well they pay 80 of America's taxes. Cap & Trade, aka TAX AND KILL! The VA system is a disaster! I know because I WORK IN ONE. The Vets bring coolers and lunch boxes because they spend the entire day waiting to be seen. They work on a number system much like the deli counter at your local supermarket. Medicad and Medicare are bankrupt! This "Public Option" is an extension of these programs. The Government is a total failure and cannot run anything efficiently. Medicad, Medicare and Social security are all bankrupted. The public school system is an utter disaster. Government buildings (post office, DMV, etc) are dirty, short staffed and unorganized. America has the greatest Healthcare system in the entire world. We do not need Healthcare reform. We simply need healthcare insurance reform. This does not mean AUTHORITARIAN IRONFISTED Revolution! America's love their LIBERTY and their freedom of choice. Which means tax credits for personal insurance selection. It means Health Savings Accounts where you have mobility with the money you put in to move to different provider or different type of plan. Amongst many other options. That is genius of Federalism (look up that word). Massachusetts has tried this Healthcare plan and has failed. America is responsible for 90% of the world's innovation in health. America leads the treatment of 15 of 18 of cancers. World leaders are flown to America for treatment. Over 85% of Americans are happy with the insurance they have. You are going to say 50 million Americas are uninsured. Nope. 10-15 illegal aliens who need to be deported. 20 Million young adults who can afford insurance, but choose to use their wealth else where. So we are only talking about 15 million or so individuals, here. You were awful quick to point out "You must watch Fox News".Which I don't understand how that has any relevance? Every media outlet has failed this country. Not a single one of them can be trusted. I do not like Statism. That is not America. Healthcare is not a right. A right is not something the government can TAKE FROM an individual! You don't think it is scary as hell for a private citizen to ask the President of the United States of America if he/his plan allow for her old grandmother to be covered for a surgery? Maybe in Castros Cuba, not AMERICA! The Government needs to leave the people alone. The American people do not want this. Not only the poll numbers on this issue, but for the President himself are falling down the sewer. The American people love LIBERTY, Freedom and their private property. The Constitution does not guarantee "Equality of Outcome", that is a European ideal and is never compatible with individual liberty. Regards |
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| RWgirl | Jul 30 2009, 08:40 PM Post #4 |
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It's not a single payer system. Not at all. Not even a little. Read something from an unbiased source. http://factcheck.org/2009/07/canadian-straw-man/ You also might want to cite a source for your 85% of US Americans don't want UHC. The NY Times, for one, disagrees http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01cnd-poll.html The US also pays more in healthcare right now than any other UN nation: http://www.who.int/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS08_Table4_HSR.pdf The current spending could be redirected into something more comprehensive. This is also something that Dr Drew has argued for. He essentially wants a Germany model, which is what the US currently has, but it's terribly broken. That's why I accused you of watching Fox news. You are getting really bad info that's not even kind of right. There are many good news agencies out there, try them. And don't rant at me about what's broken or not broken about the VA. Those are Drew's views, not mine. Views you asked for. My view is you don't know what you are talking about at all when it comes to healthcare in the US or elsewhere. You certainly don't understand how the USSR ran their healthcare and you sound reactionary when you compare the two. Obama isn't talking about a muliti teared system that favors the rich. Obama doesn't want to buy out any (let alone all) of the medical schools, clinics, hospitals or pharma companies. Different coutnries handle UHC differently. The US's plan is different than most other country's plans. There is a debate to be had about the healthcare plan. Whether or not it's a single payer system is not one of them. It's a strawman. It's also not USSR style. You need to find a solid arugment as to why the US is the only industrialized nation in the world without it. Edited by RWgirl, Jul 30 2009, 09:34 PM.
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| Dusty TheHick | Aug 3 2009, 12:29 PM Post #5 |
Forum Schmendrick
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Ugh...Not another one! |
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| youthinksoo | Aug 11 2009, 08:46 AM Post #6 |
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@RWgirl Where is "Utopia" located? I am curious. I thought a RIGHT, is something the government cannot take away from you? Because Obamacare can be taken away or denied to individuals (i.e. the elderly or unborn)! You seem to think private insurance companies can compete with a government that prints money. Silly me, for asking "tough" questions. Medicad, Medicare and Social Security are all bankrupt. Government/Single-Payer/Mandated health care is a failure in America. Look at the failed Massachusetts model. Gotta love Federalism and the 10th amendment, eh? Tell me what the government has run that is a success? You cannot because it only happens in "Utopia". Where do World Leaders come to get treated? In evil America? Yep, they do!  America is man's last best hope on earth. Why do you live in a country you hate? If we are so evil, then why don't you leave? We are just fine the way we are, we don't need "Fundamental Transformation", which Dear Leader promotes. America's are not stupid. They recognize a Wolf in Sheep's clothing like Obama, whom is now showing us his true colors! People don't flood through the borders of "Evil" countries. America does not want Obamacare, you, my friend, are in a small, increasingly small, minority. Just because a system is imperfect doesn't give the government authority to start a revolution! WE need to improve the system we currently have. NOT TRANSFORM IT! You need to wake up! Your hat is backwards! The polls are against you. American's love liberty. They reject Authoritarianism. They love freedom. We are going to vote OUT every last one of you RADICAL LEFTISTS in 2010! Enjoy the last beacon of communism/socialism/or whatever you want to call it. Because this is 'its' last stand in America. People love liberty and reject tyranny. People, like yourself, are absolutely free to leave this country; a country that supposedly denies you "rights" and "entitlements". You think what I am saying is extreme? Care to read the Constitution, Declaration or Bill of Rights and show me where the government grants entitlement programs? The U.S. government has no authority to take away that which is a "right". Health care has never been a right; just as food, clothing, nor shelter. America is an exceptional country with unlimited and unsurpassed opportunity. I am on the side of Liberty and if you are offended by me, then you must have been offended by that what the Founding Fathers sought to preserve for us in the ratification of founding documents. @Dusty theHick Are you talking to me? Or to the Statist? Edited by youthinksoo, Aug 11 2009, 09:32 AM.
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| twilit | Aug 11 2009, 12:20 PM Post #7 |
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she doesnt live there you stupid fuck, she left the usa for a superior country. figures you'd assume that typical love it or leave it line. this persons long winded blow-hard writing style strongly smacks of striker aka "luvadam". Edited by twilit, Aug 11 2009, 12:23 PM.
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| c_o_z | Aug 11 2009, 10:05 PM Post #8 |
The Cynical Optimist
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You know something.... you're right. Hm. Either way, it's just another obvious troll. hahaha... I stopped caring after they called Fox News liberal propaganda and healthcare a right. |
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| youthinksoo | Aug 11 2009, 10:29 PM Post #9 |
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You can call names, so can a school yard bully. It is cute though. Maybe you should read what I wrote. I said Healthcare is not a RIGHT! Just as food, shelter or clothing is not a right. A right is something the government CANNOT TAKE AWAY FROM YOU! If you didn't read the bill, then you cannot refute me. The bill specifically grants the U.S. Federal Government the ability to deny treatments to individuals. Anyone calling the U.S.A inferior in anyway, perhaps would be happier in Red China. Maybe you would prefer having your kidney harvested for "the greater" good of society. Fuck the U.S.A right? It sucks, right? IF you are in Europe now, you should be thankful to be breathing oxygen right now. If it were not for the U.S.A ending WW2 you all would be lampshades or speaking German. You think this is extreme or "TROLLING"? Take the bucket of sand off your head and pick up a book! No one can refute what I said. You can argue on feelings all you want, but I have laid out clear facts here. Try to see through your fog of hatred and think through IMPORTANT (life or death) issues clearly! Edited by youthinksoo, Aug 11 2009, 10:33 PM.
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| c_o_z | Aug 11 2009, 10:40 PM Post #10 |
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The Cynical Optimist
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Oops, I did read it wrong. I retract the part of my statement where I ridiculed the troll for saying that healthcare is a right. |
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