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| We stole Hawaii | |
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| Topic Started: 11 Jan 2009, 08:43 PM (427 Views) | |
| BLOWHARD | 11 Jan 2009, 08:43 PM Post #1 |
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I guess I shouldn't say "we," meaning the United States, more like "they," meaning rich US plantation owners and businessmen. It's a pretty sad chapter in US history. BLOUNT REPORT DOLE AND THE BAYONET CONSTITUTION |
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| cimmee | 12 Jan 2009, 05:45 PM Post #2 |
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Lots of countries had posessions. Lots of countries used violence. Lots of countries lost their colonies. We made them states. We set them free. |
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| BLOWHARD | 12 Jan 2009, 07:56 PM Post #3 |
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HA! Since when does "they do it so it's ok if we do it" been a good, legal or right reason to do anything? Didn't we condemn Japan for doing this in China before WW2? Plus, if you think making a free country a state just so US businessmen don't have to pay tariffs "setting them free", think again. They were free and Independent! I brought this one up in a continuation of the "anti communist" debate since there was no communism then. I guess according to you it's still ok for the US to do the same thing that we condemn other countries for doing? Edited by BLOWHARD, 12 Jan 2009, 08:10 PM.
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| Andy3536 | 12 Jan 2009, 07:57 PM Post #4 |
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I thought you were gonna say the communists were responsible. What you have to accept now though being a democracy is that if there is a strong independence movement then you'll have to let them go. A good comparison would be Australia, and although they effectively rule their own country in every way, still have a parliment and a prime minister under the British monach. They, a few years ago got to vote on becoming a democratic republic. It's rather silly though to pretend that it was a good thing the way it was done and claiming that conquering another country by force means you "set them free". Especially when the democratic right to vote was removed from all those except that with sizable incomes, how is that free? |
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| BLOWHARD | 12 Jan 2009, 08:16 PM Post #5 |
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Also adding that it was "freedom" at the point of a bayonet, US Marines and warships. "Yes, yes good Hawaiians, you are free. Now sign over your rights or will have to kill all of you!" It's a small wonder there are any Hawaiians left and that we didn't systematically try to kill them off like we did with the American Indians. I guess I could start another post about how we stole the country from the Indians and Spanish. :P |
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| cimmee | 13 Jan 2009, 05:15 PM Post #6 |
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So are you proposing we give it away? The residents of Hawaii were trying for statehood since 1900 so I fail to see any validity to the idea that the US stole it. |
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| Andy3536 | 13 Jan 2009, 05:46 PM Post #7 |
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Unless there was a democratic vote by the people of Hawaii to the effect of joining the United states, then it was stolen (and as the vote was removed from the ordinary Hawaiians then thats clearly not the case) . You may think Hawaii is better now because of it, and that most Hawaiians are loyal to the United States, but that doesn't mean the way it was taken was right or moral. |
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| BLOWHARD | 13 Jan 2009, 08:21 PM Post #8 |
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What I'm proposing is that those who think America is devoid of any wrong doing, is pure and free and totally righteous, and is the protector of freedom and democracy everywhere, WAKE UP! The US pretends to stand on high moral ground, above all the other countries. This isn't true, and it never will be. We are guilty of the same crimes we have always accused other of. The world is a glas house but we seem to be throwing as many rocks as we can get our hands on. My point is, and always has been, that our foreign policy is no better than your "Mongoloid Russians." About Hawaii wanting statehood since 1900? Didn't you read any of that? The only people in Hawaii who wanted statehood were the rich land owners and businessmen who had to pay high tariffs on the goods they shipped to the US. You ask a native Hawaiian if they wanted statehood. |
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| cimmee | 16 Jan 2009, 12:29 PM Post #9 |
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Stolen like South Africa, Congo, Hong Kong, China, India, Malvinas, Vietnam, Mozambique, Algeria, ect? I think not. |
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| cimmee | 16 Jan 2009, 12:30 PM Post #10 |
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FFS, You cannot compare Japan with the United States of America! Two words; Unit 731. You should be ashamed.. |
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