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| Topic Started: 10 Jan 2009, 02:51 AM (720 Views) | |
| cimmee | 10 Jan 2009, 02:51 AM Post #1 |
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Joe McCarthy Was Right (By Chuck Morse - 08.23.01 Copyright 2001, SierraTimes.com) Because of the unprecedented public and personal destruction Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy (R-WI) was forced to endure in his heroic effort to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution upon which he swore an oath, it is tantamount to state at the outset that Joe McCarthy has been completely vindicated by history. The recently declassified Venona decryptions, a new biography by Arthur Herman, "Joseph McCarthy; Reexamining the life and legacy of America's most hated Senator," and even the Sunday New York Times Magazine, not to mention mountains of congressional testimony and confessions over decades, indicate that Joe McCarthy was right. McCarthy headed up a senatorial committee in the 1950s, charged with investigating secret communists in the government, nothing more and nothing less. McCarthy, in fact, was only able to scratch the surface regarding this monstrous conspiracy, the reverberations of which continue to threaten the very foundations of our civilization to this day. Joe McCarthy exemplified a sort of muscular, manly moral courage that is rarely found in this era of ours, an era, which holds as the greatest virtue a fuzzy sort of mediocrity and moral relativism, which is, euphemistically, called "tolerance." McCarthy referred to his investigation of communism, according to Herman, as like "skunk hunting ... digging out a skunk," he stated, "is a dirty, smelly business. No one wants to be near you when you're done -- but someone's got to do it." McCarthy stated: "Average Americans can do very little insofar as digging communist espionage agents out of our government is concerned. They must depend upon those of us whom they send down here to man the watchtowers of the nation. The thing that I think we must remember is that this is a war, which a brutalitarian force has won to a greater extent than any brutalitarian force has won a war in the history of the world before." "You can talk about communism as though it's something ten thousand miles away. Let me say it's right here with us now. Unless we make sure that there is no infiltration of our government, then just as certain as you sit there, in the period of our lives you will see a Red world." "Anyone who has followed the communist conspiracy, even remotely, and can add two and two, will tell you that there is no remote possibility of this war which we are in today -- ant it's a war, a war which we've been losing -- no remote possibility of this ending except by victory or by death for this civilization." McCarthy, as a US Senator, was entrusted to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. For this, he paid a grievous price at the hands of those who were, by any objective standards, traitors to our system of government. This is not a case of, as the left likes to say "moral equivalence," McCarthy was right and the communist and their constellation of fellow travelers, camp followers, and parlor pinks were wrong. McCarthy delivered a speech, February 9, 1950; to the Republican Women's club in Wheeling, West Virginia, when he stated that there were at least 57 known communists in the US State Department and that the State Department knew that they were there. Out of respect for the system of due process, McCarthy would always go to great lengths not to publicly name names; something the left would use to discredit him. President Harry S. Truman's Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, was known to be sympathetic to communism. In the 1930s, Acheson's law firm was employed to represent the interests of J.V. Stalin's left wing Soviet Union in the US. Acheson had ignored FBI reports concerning the communist connections of his protege Alger Hiss, had been the chief US advisor at Yalta, February, 1945, which turned Eastern Europe over to the communists, and had presided over the drafting of the communistic United Nations Charter. Acheson was known to foster the careers of communists in the State Department while shafting anti-communists. Besides putting the government on notice regarding communists, McCarthy, due in part to his bombastic style, brought the issue of communism in general to the American public like no one else in American history. The left-dominated media fails to mention that Joe McCarthy was wildly popular in his day and was thought to be one of the few public figures that spoke plainly and truthfully about the communist conspiracy. This, in spite of the vicious agitprop hate machine of the left media, which moved against him from day one. McCarthy substantially contributed in a cultural shift toward an understanding of the nature of freedom and liberty and how fragile these things are. This, more than any other reason, was why a left-wing establishment loathed him and rightfully perceived him as a major threat to their diabolical agenda. They have been hell-bent, ever since, on insuring that Joe McCarthy would be considered to be the most hated man in modern American history. http://www.sierratimes.co...ve/files/aug/23/morse.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Andy3536 | 10 Jan 2009, 10:16 AM Post #2 |
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What you are talking about is someone going looking for communists, it is possoble to be a proud American. Love America, hate Russia but be communist. Communism is a political belief, nothing more. It doesn't make you spy, it doesn't make you hate America. Lets not forget too that he was trying to route out communists when the US constitution allows free people to have any political belief. So in effect he was going against the constitution of the US. Just because you are communist doesn't make you bad. Some of the things in the UK could be seen to have communist leanings with the way the governments have ran it over the last 50 years, we managed to get through without communists taking over and without starting a witch hunt over political veiws. Had he been after spys and nothing more it wouldn't have been a problem, but when he starts to look for communists, then freedom of the people is out the window. Edited by Andy3536, 10 Jan 2009, 10:17 AM.
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| cimmee | 10 Jan 2009, 08:38 PM Post #3 |
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| Andy3536 | 10 Jan 2009, 09:35 PM Post #4 |
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What if the people preaching liberty are the extreamests? The americans arresting communists was a disgusting time in their history. When the members they arrested had been doing little more than any other politition in trying to get their party elected democraticly. With the Typical US farce of the time they tried to say that all those that were communists were plotting to overthrow the government. Some 140 people were arrested and a number of defence layers were given prison time for being held in contempt for defending communist clients. Then, Lo and behold the US saw sence and declared that you, and yes indeed your Joe McCarthy wrong and Unconstitutional. To quote " By 1957, over 140 leaders and members of the Communist Party had been charged. The indictments and trials ended in 1957 as the result of a series of Supreme Court decisions. Yates v. United States ruled unconstitutional the conviction of numerous party leaders in a ruling that distinguished between advocacy of an idea for incitement and the teaching of an idea as a concept. The Court ruled by a margin of six to one in Watkins v. United States that defendants could use the First Amendment as a defense against "abuses of the legislative process." So what we have learned here is that being communist doesn't make you a spy, doesn't make you want to over throw the government and is perfectly legal according to the laws of the United States. Quite how they thought the country trying to preach freedom and democracy the most could ever get away with not allowing free will and freedom of speach is beyond me. If i were American it's not a period in history i'd want to highlight to others. Edited by Andy3536, 10 Jan 2009, 09:36 PM.
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| BLOWHARD | 11 Jan 2009, 07:49 AM Post #5 |
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He was wrong on just about every level. First and foremost, he wasn't crusading against communism, he was trying to increase his own power. The whole point of his ridiculous behavio stage acting was notoriety. If you'll go back and look at where he spent most of his time looking for communists, you'll notice it wasn't where they really were. Those well placed "commies" weren't found out by him, or anyone else until far later. All he did was to ruin a great many ordinary peoples lives, people who weren't even in government. For what? Doing what it was their legal right to do under the US constitution? I have a feeling the real communist were laughing all they way to their dead drops. Nothing makes conspirators more safe than misinformation. Joe did everything he could to weaken and destroy the freedom that our country stands for. And Barry Goldwater? He's a shining light of wisdom? He does have a high school named after him  Cimmee, one really important question, if you take the same tyrannical despotic methods as your enemies, at what point are you no better than them? Surly our country was founded be people who were seeking a free way of life; not establishing a repressive Orwellian state where one man could point a finger and label someone an enemy without trial and without facing their accusers. I can't for the life of me think of anyone more un-American than Joseph McCarthy. Let's see...to save our freedom we must destroy it, yeah, that sounds like a good deal 
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| cimmee | 11 Jan 2009, 02:08 PM Post #6 |
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Simple ansewer? Yes we are better than our enemies. They are communist, we are not. I know a lot more about Smok'n Joe than you think. But in the end, he was correct. |
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| Andy3536 | 11 Jan 2009, 02:57 PM Post #7 |
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So you think your better than someone else because of their political beliefs? And also belive that you have the right to imprisn people because of those beliefs? Those are not the opinions of anyone in a free socioty, and your actually starting to sound like your quoting 'Mien kampf'. You share a common interest. Your intollerance is hopefully not shared by many. It's certainly not by your government. |
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| BLOWHARD | 11 Jan 2009, 08:08 PM Post #8 |
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He was correct in what way? It's WELL known Joe had ABSOLUTELY no proof of any of his allegations. His anti communist organization didn't root out any important communists anywhere. All he accomplished was to weaken democracy and the rights our constitution guarantees. He wasn't even right about how many communists there were in the government. Even he couldn't keep the number straight, he kept changing it. The guy was a political moron, he had no clue. Since he never really knew anything and was taking wild guesses, how could he be right? You just CAN'T be right if you guess with the wrong informations and for the wrong reasons...can you? |
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| cimmee | 12 Jan 2009, 05:46 PM Post #9 |
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Dean Acheson was pink down to his skivvies! He always favored the mongoloid russians. |
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| Andy3536 | 12 Jan 2009, 07:14 PM Post #10 |
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Of course another way of looking at it would be that he was defending the constitution of the united states and that these people had done nothing wrong. First amendment and all that, freedom of speech, right to assembly. You should already know this being American but you seem to overlook it when it's convenient to you. What's the point in trying to defend liberty by removing it? |
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