Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
World War II Victory
Topic Started: Oct 26 2013, 01:53 AM (186 Views)
Simon Darkshade
Member Avatar
Nefarious Swashbuckler
At what point was Allied victory in the Second World War secured in your view?

Some put it as post Stalingrad and El Alamein, others post Midway and still others at the failure of the Germans to capture Moscow. I'd take the economic and resource view of post Lend Lease; that put the United States on a trajectory to enter the war, ensuring victory with their productive capacity.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Matthew
Member Avatar

In the latter vein I'd almost go with Churchill and say Pearl Harbour, as that sort of sealed the deal, so to speak, though I do suppose it was just a matter of time, in some ways, after Lend Lease.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Petar
Member Avatar
The General
I think I would go with the German failure to capture Moscow - that would probably be the high water mark of the Reich.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Basil Fawlty
Member Avatar
Post Tenebras Lux
A very cynical response would be January 30, 1933, given Hitler's propensity for irrational and harmful decisions. It is doubtful that the Germans would have taken on the world again without Herr Schicklgruber, but it is also paradoxically true that they might have done a better job at it without him.

December 7, 1941 was probably the one single moment that sealed it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Vonar Roberts
Member Avatar

Basil Fawlty
Oct 27 2013, 12:56 AM
A very cynical response would be January 30, 1933, given Hitler's propensity for irrational and harmful decisions. It is doubtful that the Germans would have taken on the world again without Herr Schicklgruber, but it is also paradoxically true that they might have done a better job at it without him.

December 7, 1941 was probably the one single moment that sealed it.
The German's were quite close to starving the United Kingdom into submission right into early 1942 with supplies reaching as low as 6 months at one point. However in all honesty I would push it back to May 1941 when the US started to take over escort duties in the western Atlantic which freed up the Royal Navy and RCN for duties in the eastern half of the Atlantic.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Simon Darkshade
Member Avatar
Nefarious Swashbuckler
That is an interesting contrast to most interpretations of the First Happy Time ending in early-mid 1941. The supply situation got bad in mid 1943, but literal or industrial starvation wasn't quite looming in 1942 or 1943 in the same way as it had been in 1917.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Basil Fawlty
Member Avatar
Post Tenebras Lux
Is there anything on Hyperwar that shows how many tons of Allied shipping were needed in each war to support a division overseas for X days? That would be most useful.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Simon Darkshade
Member Avatar
Nefarious Swashbuckler
I can have a look there and in some of my records; failing that, there are some places I could ask.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Create a free forum in seconds.
« Previous Topic · History · Next Topic »
Add Reply