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Agreeing on what happened at the pentagon..
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Topic Started: Sep 21 2009, 08:59 PM (128 Views)
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scott75
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Sep 21 2009, 08:59 PM
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For some time, there has been disagreement within the truth movement as to what happened at the Pentagon, which has led to a schism within it. I believe that the 'flyover' theory, as proposed by CIT and subtly supported by PFT, has the most evidence. I think that the strongest argument which I consider proof against the official story is that the plane simply couldn't have pulled out of the dive it would have had to have made in order to hit the light poles and approach the pentagon low and level, but there are many other supporting arguments, such as all the North of Citgo witnesses who saw the plane approach the pentagon from North of the Citgo gas station, making it impossible for the plane to have done the damage that occurred at the pentagon as the trajectory of the damage would have had to have had the plane coming from a south of Citgo approach.
Anyway, if there's anyone here who doubts that the plane could have flown over the pentagon, I'd be happy to discuss the issue.
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Sep 23 2009, 05:16 PM
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Hi Scott,
Welcome to A42 (Artists for 9/11 Truth 2)!
I have only heard of people who say, they know someone that actually saw the plane hit the pentagon. Unfortunately that's only hearsay. It appears that many though, witnessed, the flight coming in toward the pentagon, and the route it took, was different from the official story, and does not line up with the light pole damage.
One person actually saw a passenger jet aircraft, fly away just over the light poles on a different side of the pentagon, immediately after the explosion.
The cab driver has basically admitted that he is just a little player and what he said, and what he's says now, doesn't jive.
The whole event appears to have been staged, explosive must have been planted ahead of time, light poles taken down, while road traffic was blocked off by police before the plane came into view, of the pentagon. Many saw the plane coming in
but few, if any, actually saw it impact, but did see a bright flash of light and a huge fireball.
This sooo sounds like a magicians trick of misdirection and distraction.
You don't know how the elephant got on to the stage in front of you, so you imagine it must have materialized there, like the magician said, but really it just walked on to the stage, while everybody was watching the juggling seal, and then walked back off while everybody was running away from the sudden firework display.
That's my reading of this event.
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Sep 25 2009, 04:57 PM
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Hey, scott75. I really don't know.
I'm currently looking for best evidence on wreckage found there and damage to the front of the building.
Recommendations?
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scott75
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Oct 5 2009, 04:15 AM
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Hi Scott,
Welcome to A42 (Artists for 9/11 Truth 2)!
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I have only heard of people who say, they know someone that actually saw the plane hit the pentagon. Unfortunately that's only hearsay. It appears that many though, witnessed, the flight coming in toward the pentagon, and the route it took, was different from the official story, and does not line up with the light pole damage. One person actually saw a passenger jet aircraft, fly away just over the light poles on a different side of the pentagon, immediately after the explosion.
Who was that? It's these types of things that I still am not sure about :-).
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The cab driver has basically admitted that he is just a little player and what he said, and what he's says now, doesn't jive.
Yeah, I think CIT's video on Lloyd was pretty compelling that he's not being completely honest.
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The whole event appears to have been staged, explosive must have been planted ahead of time, light poles taken down, while road traffic was blocked off by police before the plane came into view, of the pentagon.
Is there evidence that the police blocked off traffic before the plane approached the pentagon?
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Many saw the plane coming in but few, if any, actually saw it impact, but did see a bright flash of light and a huge fireball.
Yeah. I think CIT was fairly thorough in debunking claims that people had truly seen the plane impact the building.
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This sooo sounds like a magicians trick of misdirection and distraction.
You don't know how the elephant got on to the stage in front of you, so you imagine it must have materialized there, like the magician said, but really it just walked on to the stage, while everybody was watching the juggling seal, and then walked back off while everybody was running away from the sudden firework display.
Kind of thing, yeah :-). I find it ironic that Penn & Teller do such a good job of explaining how misdirection works even though they claim to believe the official story regarding 9/11.
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Oct 5 2009, 04:20 AM
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Hey, scott75. I really don't know.
I'm currently looking for best evidence on wreckage found there and damage to the front of the building.
Recommendations?
AboveTopSecret.com seems to have tons of information, although I imagine that places like loose change and perhaps Pilots for 9/11 Truth and/or CIT might have good stuff as well. As you know, I've been banned at CIT and PFT though, and after much wrangling with JFK over at loose change, I stated that I would no longer ask any questions there.
Right now, I personally have been focusing on the flight path of the plane, over at AboveTopSecret.com:
Flight path of the plane that approached the pentagon
I branched it from another thread there, which was:
What hit the Pentagon?
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Oct 5 2009, 11:21 PM
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Hi Scott,
Welcome to A42 (Artists for 9/11 Truth 2)!
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I have only heard of people who say, they know someone that actually saw the plane hit the pentagon. Unfortunately that's only hearsay. It appears that many though, witnessed, the flight coming in toward the pentagon, and the route it took, was different from the official story, and does not line up with the light pole damage. One person actually saw a passenger jet aircraft, fly away just over the light poles on a different side of the pentagon, immediately after the explosion.
Who was that? It's these types of things that I still am not sure about :-). Specifically, I'd have to look up the official accounts of all witnesses. I think there are some who described in various impossible ways, the plane hitting the pentagon. - Quote:
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The cab driver has basically admitted that he is just a little player and what he said, and what he's says now, doesn't jive.
Yeah, I think CIT's video on Lloyd was pretty compelling that he's not being completely honest. He, apparently, is also a terrible driver, for a cabby. - Quote:
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The whole event appears to have been staged, explosive must have been planted ahead of time, light poles taken down, while road traffic was blocked off by police before the plane came into view, of the pentagon.
Is there evidence that the police blocked off traffic before the plane approached the pentagon? Yes, i heard a radio host say (just a few months ago) that he was blocked in traffic by police, and saw the plane fly in, though he couldn't see the plane hit the pentagon from where he was stopped. He still thinks that the plane hit the pentagon, though. I'll have to find his name again. - Quote:
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Many saw the plane coming in but few, if any, actually saw it impact, but did see a bright flash of light and a huge fireball.
Yeah. I think CIT was fairly thorough in debunking claims that people had truly seen the plane impact the building. - Quote:
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This sooo sounds like a magicians trick of misdirection and distraction.
You don't know how the elephant got on to the stage in front of you, so you imagine it must have materialized there, like the magician said, but really it just walked on to the stage, while everybody was watching the juggling seal, and then walked back off while everybody was running away from the sudden firework display.
Kind of thing, yeah :-). I find it ironic that Penn & Teller do such a good job of explaining how misdirection works even though they claim to believe the official story regarding 9/11. I can't trust those guys, they seem to be dead set against freedom of inquiry. (not that there is one) but i think, if one paid them enough, they would say anything, in their style. I'll try to find that name of that radio host.
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Oct 7 2009, 03:26 PM
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I have only heard of people who say, they know someone that actually saw the plane hit the pentagon. Unfortunately that's only hearsay. It appears that many though, witnessed, the flight coming in toward the pentagon, and the route it took, was different from the official story, and does not line up with the light pole damage. One person actually saw a passenger jet aircraft, fly away just over the light poles on a different side of the pentagon, immediately after the explosion.
Who was that? It's these types of things that I still am not sure about :-).
Specifically, I'd have to look up the official accounts of all witnesses. I think there are some who described in various impossible ways, the plane hitting the pentagon.
The impossible ways people I've heard of, but they don't interest me so much; it's the ones who saw the aircraft fly over that I'm interested in. I used to know the name of one; he thought it was a second aircraft but it's now clear that the only aircraft that was in that airspace at the time was the pentaplane.
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The cab driver has basically admitted that he is just a little player and what he said, and what he's says now, doesn't jive.
Yeah, I think CIT's video on Lloyd was pretty compelling that he's not being completely honest.
He, apparently, is also a terrible driver, for a cabby.
Why do you say that?
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The whole event appears to have been staged, explosive must have been planted ahead of time, light poles taken down, while road traffic was blocked off by police before the plane came into view, of the pentagon.
Is there evidence that the police blocked off traffic before the plane approached the pentagon?
Yes, i heard a radio host say (just a few months ago) that he was blocked in traffic by police, and saw the plane fly in, though he couldn't see the plane hit the pentagon from where he was stopped. He still thinks that the plane hit the pentagon, though. I'll have to find his name again.
Ok.
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This sooo sounds like a magicians trick of misdirection and distraction.
You don't know how the elephant got on to the stage in front of you, so you imagine it must have materialized there, like the magician said, but really it just walked on to the stage, while everybody was watching the juggling seal, and then walked back off while everybody was running away from the sudden firework display.
Kind of thing, yeah :-). I find it ironic that Penn & Teller do such a good job of explaining how misdirection works even though they claim to believe the official story regarding 9/11.
I can't trust those guys, they seem to be dead set against freedom of inquiry. (not that there is one) but i think, if one paid them enough, they would say anything, in their style.
I definitely don't trust them when it comes to 9/11 either...
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I'll try to find that name of that radio host.
Ok.
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Oct 22 2009, 12:35 PM
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I looked back through my posts and found this from Dec 16 2008:
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Curiously enough, I heard an RBN radio host, say that traffic was stopped that morning near the pentagon, and he saw the plane fly in, and then witnessed the explosion, I don't think he was in a position to see the alleged impact. He said the traffic was stopped before this happened, BTW.
I still haven't found his name, he is not listed as a host at rbn anymore,
if he ever was.
I think he was filling in for another host, there, when I heard him say this.
...I'm still looking.
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Oct 22 2009, 03:43 PM
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I looked back through my posts and found this from Dec 16 2008: - Quote:
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Curiously enough, I heard an RBN radio host, say that traffic was stopped that morning near the pentagon, and he saw the plane fly in, and then witnessed the explosion, I don't think he was in a position to see the alleged impact. He said the traffic was stopped before this happened, BTW.
I still haven't found his name, he is not listed as a host at rbn anymore, if he ever was. I think he was filling in for another host, there, when I heard him say this. ...I'm still looking.
Can you link to your original post? Perhaps I might find a clue there, laugh ;-).
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Oct 22 2009, 04:10 PM
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Ya, if it was that easy i would have his name again. Threads are moved and old single posts are sometimes hard to find, however i now know the time aprox. I'll see if my history goes back that far.
The post is from Pilots for 9/11 truth, in this thread:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13034
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