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Did mongoloids originate in Southeast Asia and evolve from australoids or did mongoloids originate in Siberia and evolve from Caucasoids. Anyother possibilities

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I guess their ancestors originated in North Asia then they spread everywhere and become so many types.
Edited by Ilham, Jun 25 2013, 01:22 PM.
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Haplogroup C3* originate from Australoid, not Caucasoid.
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west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
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Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
Ironically, they were pre-caucasoid migrate to the wrong place

Edited by gyx2k, Jun 25 2013, 04:29 PM.
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pekster11
Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
+1

This. Traditional mongoloid peoples are more closely related to indoeuropeans than to africans, andaman natives, semang or australian aborigines.
Edited by Ada, Jun 25 2013, 03:34 PM.
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Jun 25 2013, 03:34 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
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This. Traditional mongoloid peoples are more closely related to indoeuropeans than to africans, andaman natives, semang or australian aborigines.
They were pre-caucasoid, not traditional Mongoloid
Edited by gyx2k, Jun 25 2013, 04:28 PM.
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I heard they are a mixture between Homo Sapiens and Homo erectus. :confused:
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Jun 25 2013, 08:22 PM
I heard they are a mixture between Homo Sapiens and Homo erectus. :confused:
Total bs, Erectus died out long before the human species split into these racial types.
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Jun 25 2013, 04:19 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 03:34 PM
pekster11
Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
+1

This. Traditional mongoloid peoples are more closely related to indoeuropeans than to africans, andaman natives, semang or australian aborigines.
They were pre-caucasoid, not traditional Mongoloid
True. Basically at some point this group divided into mongoloids and "white" europeans.
Edited by Ada, Jun 25 2013, 08:25 PM.
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The fundamental mongoloid features originate from a strong arctic adaption. So they (the mongoloid caracter) originate from north because of this.
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Ada
Jun 25 2013, 08:24 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 08:22 PM
I heard they are a mixture between Homo Sapiens and Homo erectus. :confused:
Total bs, Erectus died out long before the human species split into these racial types.
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Jun 25 2013, 04:19 PM
Ada
Jun 25 2013, 03:34 PM

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They were pre-caucasoid, not traditional Mongoloid
True. Basically at some point this group divided into mongoloids and "white" europeans.
"8. Fossils of 500,000 years old Homo erectus, a human species that lived in Africa, Europe and Asia, were found in China. Some Chinese academics argue that the Mongoloid race would have evolved from Asian H. erectus, and are not a result of migrations of ancestral H. sapiens from Africa."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/9-Things-You-Did-not-Know-About-Chinese-and-Mongoloid-Race-66420.shtml
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Jun 25 2013, 09:02 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 08:24 PM
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Jun 25 2013, 08:22 PM
I heard they are a mixture between Homo Sapiens and Homo erectus. :confused:
Total bs, Erectus died out long before the human species split into these racial types.
gyx2k
Jun 25 2013, 04:19 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
True. Basically at some point this group divided into mongoloids and "white" europeans.
"8. Fossils of 500,000 years old Homo erectus, a human species that lived in Africa, Europe and Asia, were found in China. Some Chinese academics argue that the Mongoloid race would have evolved from Asian H. erectus, and are not a result of migrations of ancestral H. sapiens from Africa."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/9-Things-You-Did-not-Know-About-Chinese-and-Mongoloid-Race-66420.shtml
Well, as most of the "Ten largest XYZ" or "9 Things You Did not Know about XYZ", this is also bs.

Check this out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2009746/Modern-mans-ancestor-Homo-erectus-extinct-108-000-years-earlier-previously-thought.html
Also this:
http://smithsonianscience.org/2011/07/scientists-show-that-modern-humans-never-co-existed-with-homo-erectus/

The modern scientific consensus is that Erectus died out before it encountered any homo sapiens.
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Jun 25 2013, 08:41 PM
The fundamental mongoloid features originate from a strong arctic adaption. So they (the mongoloid caracter) originate from north because of this.
True. Even Mongoloids near the equator have retained some of these features, so they must have come from the North
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Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
That's what I know too, so +1 for me.
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pekster11
Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
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Here's something from wiki:
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Anatomically modern humans first emerged in East Africa, some 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. An exodus from Africa over the Arabian Peninsula around 60,000 years ago brought modern humans to Eurasia, with one group rapidly settling coastal areas around the Indian Ocean and one group migrating north to steppes of Central Asia. A mitochondrial DNA sequence of two Cro-Magnons from the Paglicci Cave, Italy, dated to 23,000 and 24,000 years old (Paglicci 52 and 12), identified the mtDNA as Haplogroup N, typical of the latter group. The inland group is the founder of North and East Asians (the "Mongol" people), Caucasoids and large sections of the Middle East and North African population. Migration from the Black Sea area into Europe started some 45,000 years ago, probably along the Danubian corridor. By 20,000 years ago, modern humans had reached the Western margin of the continent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon
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pekster11
Jun 25 2013, 01:59 PM
west central asia is where the caucasian and mongoloid race originate

they split from eachother here ~50,000 ya

the caucasians and mongoloids are sister races
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Here's something from wiki:
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Anatomically modern humans first emerged in East Africa, some 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. An exodus from Africa over the Arabian Peninsula around 60,000 years ago brought modern humans to Eurasia, with one group rapidly settling coastal areas around the Indian Ocean and one group migrating north to steppes of Central Asia. A mitochondrial DNA sequence of two Cro-Magnons from the Paglicci Cave, Italy, dated to 23,000 and 24,000 years old (Paglicci 52 and 12), identified the mtDNA as Haplogroup N, typical of the latter group. The inland group is the founder of North and East Asians (the "Mongol" people), Caucasoids and large sections of the Middle East and North African population. Migration from the Black Sea area into Europe started some 45,000 years ago, probably along the Danubian corridor. By 20,000 years ago, modern humans had reached the Western margin of the continent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon
They were once pre-caucasoid upon split off, not yet Mongoloid

Pre-Caucasoid did not become Mongoloid until the last glacial maximum

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The fundamental mongoloid features originate from a strong arctic adaption. So they (the mongoloid caracter) originate from north because of this.
True. Even Mongoloids near the equator have retained some of these features, so they must have come from the North
Presumably yes.

This is the genetic story of the mongoloids:
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1. EHS (Early Homo Sapiens) in Africa
2. AKP (Afrokhoisanpygmy) in Africa
3. AEA (Afroeurasian) in Southasia
4. NAO (Negritoasianoceanian) in Southasia
5. NAA (Negritoasianamerindian) in Southeastasia
6. AAI (Asianamerindian) in Northeastasia

Presumably this is the common population wherein the arctic adaption was beginning. But the Mongoloid character spread to the south from north, the last huge wave were the Austronesians (the last small wave in the historical times were the Chineses to the southeast asian diaspora).
Edited by blogen, Jun 28 2013, 11:37 AM.
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Jun 25 2013, 08:41 PM
The fundamental mongoloid features originate from a strong arctic adaption. So they (the mongoloid caracter) originate from north because of this.
Yet DNA evidence shows this to be wrong. DNA evidence all points to a central China origin, far from the arctic.
The biggest problem with the arctic origin, is current MtDNA and Y-DNA distribution completely contradicts it.
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Jun 28 2013, 11:36 AM
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Jun 25 2013, 09:11 PM
blogen
Jun 25 2013, 08:41 PM
The fundamental mongoloid features originate from a strong arctic adaption. So they (the mongoloid caracter) originate from north because of this.
True. Even Mongoloids near the equator have retained some of these features, so they must have come from the North
Presumably yes.

This is the genetic story of the mongoloids:
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1. EHS (Early Homo Sapiens) in Africa
2. AKP (Afrokhoisanpygmy) in Africa
3. AEA (Afroeurasian) in Southasia
4. NAO (Negritoasianoceanian) in Southasia
5. NAA (Negritoasianamerindian) in Southeastasia
6. AAI (Asianamerindian) in Northeastasia

Presumably this is the common population wherein the arctic adaption was beginning. But the Mongoloid character spread to the south from north, the last huge wave were the Austronesians (the last small wave in the historical times were the Chineses to the southeast asian diaspora).
The article you link completely cntradicts what you are saying. They found a South --> North Migration, not a North ---> South.

Here is a map showing the latest theory on the migration of humans based on MtDNA

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We can see a SOUTH to NORTH migration in Asia, this is what the majority of experts now accept.
Edited by DVCal, Jun 28 2013, 10:53 PM.
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It seems very unlikely that mongoloids evolved from a australoid like ancestor in south china. It seems more likely that mongoloids evolved in western china or siberia from a caucasoid like cromagnon group similar to turanids iranian etc because they also are the same skin color, hair color and texture, and they passed three western china or sineria where it was very cold evolving mongoloid features as an adaptation
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