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Fascism and Homosexuality By Austin Cline It seems absurd to think that there could be any sort of link between fascism and homosexuality - after all, thousands of gays were killed in Nazi death camps and fascist political parties typically attack homosexuality. At the same time, though, many prominent fascists have been gay. What’s going on? Johann Hari writes: So it’s fairly easy to establish that gay people are not inoculated from fascism. They have often been at its heart. This begs the bigger question: why? How did gay people – so often victims of oppression and hate – become integral to the most hateful and evil political movement of all? Is it just an extreme form of self-harm, the political equivalent to the gay kids who slash their own arms to ribbons out of self-hate? Gay pornographer and film-maker Bruce LaBruce has one explanation. He claims that “all gay porn today is implicitly fascist. Fascism is in our bones, because it’s all about glorifying white male supremacy and fetishizing domination, cruelty, power and monstrous authority figures.” ... I decided to track down some gay fascists and ask them directly. Wyatt Powers, director of the ARC, says, “I always knew in my heart racist and gay were both morally right. I don’t see any conflict between them. It’s only the Jew-owned gay press that tries to convince us that racialism is the same thing as homophobia. You can be an extreme nationalist and gay without any contradiction at all.” Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has a sensitive and intriguing explanation. “There are many reasons for this kind of thing,” he says. “Some of them are in denial. They are going for hyper-masculinity, the most extreme possible way of being a man. It’s a way of ostentatiously rejecting the perceived effeminacy of the homosexual ‘Other’. These troubled men have a simple belief in their minds: ‘Straight men are tough. Queers are weak. Therefore if I’m tough I can’t be queer.’ It’s a desperate way of proving their manhood.” ‘Searchlight’ magazine – the bible of the anti-fascist movement, with moles in every major far-right organisation – offers an alternative explanation. “Generally condemned by a society that continues to be largely hostile to gays, some men may find refuge and a new power status in the far right,” one of their writers has explained. “Through adherence to the politics espoused by fascist groups, a new identity emerges – one where they aren’t outcasts, because they are White Men, superior to everyone else. They render the gay part of their identity invisible – or reject the socially less acceptable parts, like being feminine – while vaunting what they see as superior.” The link between gays and various fascist movements has been abused by homophobes eager to have a reason to attacks gays. It’s unfair, but that isn’t a reason to ignore the link, either. At the same time, one has to wonder what’s going on that there might be any sort of link between homosexuality and fascism across multiple cultures: German, British, and American. Yes, they are all western, but they also have their own cultures, traditions, and politics. Is it just coincidental or is there some commonality in the manner in which gays have reacted to their marginalization and oppression in western societies? It’s worth exploring. |
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| Toiletman | Jul 21 2012, 06:57 AM Post #2 |
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And where exactly is the alleged connection that makes gays linked to "fascism" [to which they apparently count every nationalist dictatatorship] |
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| marko | Jul 21 2012, 09:20 AM Post #3 |
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Stupid desperate pseudo-scientists trying to link everything they hate with something embarrassing. It's like trying to prove the link between being a sport fan and gay. Sport fans like to see strong men with a perfect physique acting tough in the field, therefore they are gay. |
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| Crimson Guard | Jul 21 2012, 10:54 AM Post #4 |
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Ernst Röhm was a Lutheran and the Italian and German Fascists were an offshoot of Socialists, which are far Left and both originally sought to destroy religion but could not due to public would turn against them and they'd lose their support base and it wouldnt make them any different from the Marxists and Communists who they were supposedly fighting against. Also as Italy and Germany were still very religious and have a long history of Christianity. *You mispelled Catholic, buts a good thing as a silly article lol.
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| Toiletman | Jul 21 2012, 12:50 PM Post #5 |
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 German "fascists", I guess you mean the nazis, weren't offsoots of any socialists with some minority people like Strasser as exception but purged early. How are they "far left" when nearly everything was focused on nationalism, which was by their cultural definition "right". Typical modern american nonsense to think they must have all been socialists because they were are not liberalcapitalists which are considered "right" in your country in your era. Also strange how you say they wanted to destroy religion but clearly label one of them as Lutheran. However, we agree that the article is meaningless and silly, although most likely for different reasons. |
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Jul 21 2012, 01:51 PM Post #6 |
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There hasn't been any tolerance of open homosexuality among Fascists, but it existed privately and semi-privately under the guise of male bonding, with many putting their political lives in the party first before their wives and family; if they even had a wife, since many men had joined the PNF or NSDAP when they were quite young and fertile. The association between Fascism and gays probably has much to do with homosexuality itself flourishing in Europe in the 1920's. This was especially so for Weimar Germany which even witnessed the nascension of a small gay rights movement among the Bohemian academia, something the Prussian castes would tease the Nazis about when Hitler later became a rising star in German politics. |
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| Crimson Guard | Jul 21 2012, 02:19 PM Post #7 |
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 German Works Party was the original party before Hitler came on board, they were Socialists but mainly anti-Marxists and anti-Semitic in character with brand of German nationalism since many of them were WWI veterans, and National Socialists were indeed Socialists and and thus an off-shoot of Socialists not sure where you get your version of history. Even Mussolini started off as a Socialist. The NSDAP( National Socialist German Workers' Party) didnt refer to themselves as Nazi, that was more a derogatory slur to them. Fascism and Socialism and Communism clashed and may not like eachother but their roots are the same. Mussolini didnt use the left or right wing , his base was the liberal right, centrists/moderates and ex-leftists. He called it the "The Third Way". Edited by Crimson Guard, Jul 21 2012, 02:22 PM.
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Gay journalist admits fascist tendencies of homosexual activists By Bryan Fischer Members of the pro-family community have observed for years that there is strain of fascism in the homosexual movement. This expression of the movement is not content with mere tolerance. Its aim is the elimination and destruction of those who argue for sexual normalcy in life and public policy. It turns out that a leading homosexual journalist agrees. Johann Hari, a self-described "gay left-wing" journalist in Britain, writing in the Huffington Post, admits that the leadership of European fascist movements is dominated by homosexuals. With surprising honesty, he says, "The twisted truth is that gay men have been at the heart of every major fascist movement that ever was — including the gay-gassing, homo-cidal Third Reich ... (with one exception) all the most high-profile fascists in Europe in the past thirty years have been gay." Ernst Rohm, for instance, the founding father of Nazism and Hitler's mentor, talked openly about his fondness for gay bars and Turkish baths, and believed that gays were superior to straights. For him, homosexuality was a key principle of what Hari calls "his proposed Brave New Fascist Order." Rohm, according to another historian, "believed straight people weren't as adept at bullying and aggression as homosexuals, so homosexuality was given a high premium in the SA." (Note: the SA were Hitler's Brownshirts, his Storm Troopers.) Hitler eventually had Rohm killed, and many historians suspect it was to prevent Rohm from leaking information about Hitler's own sexual proclivities. "[T]here has always been," Hari says, "a weird, disproportionate overlap between homosexuality and fascism." Historian William Shirer wrote that only about 10% of Hitler's inner circle was sexually normal. He recruited homosexuals as his enforcers, largely because he couldn't find a sufficient number of heterosexual men who were savage enough to suit his tastes. The Nazis were hard on effeminate gays, it is true, but only because they exalted the muscular, hypermasculine forms of homosexual expression. Many of the Nazi prison camps were run by homosexuals, who treated male populations as their own private harems. The deaths of many homosexuals in the prison camps were, according to researcher Scott Lively, a result of "gay on gay violence." Germany's leading neo-Nazi in the 80's, Michael Kuhnen, who died of AIDS in 1991, once told a West German journalist that homosexuals were "especially well-suited for our task, because they do not want ties to wife, children and family." Fascism, Hari goes on to say, "is — in part, at least — a gay thing, and it's time for non-fascist gay people to wake up and face the marching music." Homosexual pornographic film-maker Bruce LaBruce openly says that, "Fascism is in our bones, because it's all about glorifying white male supremacy and fetishizing domination, cruelty, power and monstrous authority figures." Hari says that on "Homo-Nazi" Web sites today, the message is clear: white men are superior to other races, and gay men are "the masters of the Master Race." They alone have the "superior intellect" necessary for a "fascist revolution." One gay fascist Hari interviewed said, "I always knew in my heart racist and gay were both morally right. I don't see any conflict between them." Hari, certainly no fascist himself, concludes, "If Bruce LaBruce is right, many of the mainstream elements of gay culture — body worship, the lauding of the strong, a fetish for authority figures and cruelty — provide a swamp in which the fascist virus can thrive." © Bryan Fischer http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/090512 Johann Hari: The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html European Fascist Movements are Led by Homosexuals According to Gay Journalist - http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050609.html Edited by Orgasmo, Jul 21 2012, 06:54 PM.
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| faintsmile1992 | Jul 21 2012, 10:04 PM Post #9 |
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We need a Third Way now, CG. |
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| Pandemicus | Jul 21 2012, 10:28 PM Post #10 |
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| GenoMann | Jul 21 2012, 11:06 PM Post #11 |
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^ Just give Orgasmo time to explain his original post. He has not linked to the source, so it is best to with hold judgement until he makes his point. |
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