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Facial reconstruction of Emishi (Another Jomon/Ainu group); Another ethnic group like Ainu
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Again that is your own opinion. My opinion is that these Japanese people do not look like Han Chinese or Koreans or typical East Asian, in that they have significant Jomon features such as darker skin and overall less Sinid spectrum features. The man in the middle can pass for southern Han Chinese, however he too as proto-Mongoloid features. Proto-Mongoloid admixture is evident in southern China. Proto-Mongoloid features are strong on both Japanese women.

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Phenotype is determined by genotype. Japanese of Okinawa, the Ryukyu islands and the other southwestern prefectures have more than 60% Jomon admixture. Jomon were proto-Mongoloid so they did have Mongoloid features but not the typical Mongoloid features you see in continental East Asia.

Continental East Asians = Northern Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians
Insular East Asia = Japanese, however similar features can be found in parts of southern China.
Pure blooded Jomon and Ainu were said to even light skinned than Japanese, so how can dark skin be an sign of admixture when it can be due to hot climate environment?

As shown from the facial reconstruction Jomon had not East Asian appearance so if these Okinawans are 60% Jomon than they would resemble more like Ken hira. Continental East Asians = Northern Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians, Japanese, Tibetan, some South Chinese, some Vietnamese,

Again, more Okinawans from Naha.
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Okinawans

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Source: http://blog.mikesryukyugallery.com/2010/12/year-in-photos-okinawa-japan-2010.html

Okinawan students with US military base personnel

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You can see clear proto-Mongoloid admixture in most of the Okinawan students

Lynn Miyahira, an Okinawan cultural artist

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Source: http://www.usmccca.org/archives/2627

These are the real Okinawans. They look very mixed with proto-Mongoloids.
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This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
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Jul 13 2012, 09:23 AM
This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
The Jomon Japanese look more Australoid than European. In terms of European-ness, your typical continental East Asians (Koreans, Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians) are genetically closer to Europeans than the Japanese are towards Europeans.

A lot of Japanese get plastic surgery in order to look more European.

Pure Jomon Japanese look very South Asian/Indian

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This is an Ainu couple. The man looks 100% South Asian, whereas the woman looks like an Australoid-Mongoloid mix.
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Okinawans

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Source: http://blog.mikesryukyugallery.com/2010/12/year-in-photos-okinawa-japan-2010.html

Okinawan students with US military base personnel

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You can see clear proto-Mongoloid admixture in most of the Okinawan students

Lynn Miyahira, an Okinawan cultural artist

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Source: http://www.usmccca.org/archives/2627

These are the real Okinawans. They look very mixed with proto-Mongoloids.
I still see no Ken hirai or even an Abe hiroshi in any of those pics although I acknowledge that Naka Bokunen look the least East Asian compared to other Okinawans. The darker skin can pass for Filipino's but that's about it. Just in case you don't know there is also an few cases of Okinawans marrying Hawaiians and Filipinos, there is also native born Filipino's and Hawaiians who are assimilated in Okinawa.

Naka Bokunen definitely has an non-typical Okinawan look.

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But you can also find such looks in other East Asian like Koreans and Chinese.

Even Korean actors like Oh ji oh, looks less mongoloid here

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Daniel Wu look less mongoloid here

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In normal condition.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:23 AM
This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
The Jomon Japanese look more Australoid than European. In terms of European-ness, your typical continental East Asians (Koreans, Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians) are genetically closer to Europeans than the Japanese are towards Europeans.

A lot of Japanese get plastic surgery in order to look more European.

Pure Jomon Japanese look very South Asian/Indian

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This is an Ainu couple. The man looks 100% South Asian, whereas the woman looks like an Australoid-Mongoloid mix.
Again, there is no evidence for such an ridiculous statement like that.

In the book of "Ainu life and legends" by author Kyōsuke Kindaichi (published by the Japanese Tourist Board in 1942) contains the physical description of Ainu : Many have wavy hair, but some straight black hair. Very few of them have wavy brownish hair. Their skins are generally reported to be light brown. But this is due to the fact that they labor on the sea and in briny winds all day. Old people who have long desisted from their outdoor work are often found to be as white as western men. The Ainu have broad faces, beetling eyebrows, and large sunken eyes, which are generally horizontal and of the so-called European type. Eyes of the Mongolian type are hardly found among them.


There Ainu are the closest to ancient Jomons.

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Jul 13 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:23 AM
This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
The Jomon Japanese look more Australoid than European. In terms of European-ness, your typical continental East Asians (Koreans, Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians) are genetically closer to Europeans than the Japanese are towards Europeans.

A lot of Japanese get plastic surgery in order to look more European.

Pure Jomon Japanese look very South Asian/Indian

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This is an Ainu couple. The man looks 100% South Asian, whereas the woman looks like an Australoid-Mongoloid mix.
That's nonsense?

Why would you think he looks like South Asian or even australoid mixed but not mexican?

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Okinawans

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Source: http://blog.mikesryukyugallery.com/2010/12/year-in-photos-okinawa-japan-2010.html

Okinawan students with US military base personnel

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You can see clear proto-Mongoloid admixture in most of the Okinawan students

Lynn Miyahira, an Okinawan cultural artist

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Source: http://www.usmccca.org/archives/2627

These are the real Okinawans. They look very mixed with proto-Mongoloids.
I still see no Ken hirai or even an Abe hiroshi in any of those pics although I acknowledge that Naka Bokunen look the least East Asian compared to other Okinawans. The darker skin can pass for Filipino's but that's about it. Just in case you don't know there is also an few cases of Okinawans marrying Hawaiians and Filipinos, there is also native born Filipino's and Hawaiians who are assimilated in Okinawa.

Naka Bokunen definitely has an non-typical Okinawan look.

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But you can also find such looks in other East Asian like Koreans and Chinese.

Even Korean actors like Oh ji oh, looks less mongoloid here

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But in normal condition
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Daniel Wu look less mongoloid here

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In normal condition.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:23 AM
This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
The Jomon Japanese look more Australoid than European. In terms of European-ness, your typical continental East Asians (Koreans, Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians) are genetically closer to Europeans than the Japanese are towards Europeans.

A lot of Japanese get plastic surgery in order to look more European.

Pure Jomon Japanese look very South Asian/Indian

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This is an Ainu couple. The man looks 100% South Asian, whereas the woman looks like an Australoid-Mongoloid mix.
Again, there is no evidence for such an ridiculous statement like that.

In the book of "Ainu life and legends" by author Kyōsuke Kindaichi (published by the Japanese Tourist Board in 1942) contains the physical description of Ainu : Many have wavy hair, but some straight black hair. Very few of them have wavy brownish hair. Their skins are generally reported to be light brown. But this is due to the fact that they labor on the sea and in briny winds all day. Old people who have long desisted from their outdoor work are often found to be as white as western men. The Ainu have broad faces, beetling eyebrows, and large sunken eyes, which are generally horizontal and of the so-called European type. Eyes of the Mongolian type are hardly found among them.


There Ainu are the closest to ancient Jomons.

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Jul 13 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:23 AM
This is actually quite interesting, always wanted an explanation for why some Japanese "looked Europeanish". Wonder what other races existed in parts of Asia. I cant really say they look like any European ethnic group but they certainly look similar with their faces. Probably cause of a similar climate, same reason some natives have some almost european traits too is that members of the same race as the Jomon Japanese race went to America and mixed with mongoloids, explaining why native Americans don't look like full blooded east Asians and have some almost Caucasian traits.
The Jomon Japanese look more Australoid than European. In terms of European-ness, your typical continental East Asians (Koreans, Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians) are genetically closer to Europeans than the Japanese are towards Europeans.

A lot of Japanese get plastic surgery in order to look more European.

Pure Jomon Japanese look very South Asian/Indian

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This is an Ainu couple. The man looks 100% South Asian, whereas the woman looks like an Australoid-Mongoloid mix.
That's nonsense?

Why would you think he looks like South Asian or even australoid mixed but not mexican?

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because mexicans themselves may be mixed with australoid...did anybody not read the article i posted of australoid skulls found in the americas

why do mexicans look like that...but some people from peru/chile have east asian phenotype?
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because mexicans themselves may be mixed with australoid...did anybody not read the article i posted of australoid skulls found in the americas

why do mexicans look like that...but some people from peru/chile have east asian phenotype?


Again more nonsense theories that cannot be proven with genetic evidence.

The only skull that was assumed to be australoid was Luzia but that is challenged by other anthologists today.

" Neves' conclusions have been challenged by research done by anthropologists Rolando Gonzalez-Jose, Frank Williams and William Armelagos who have shown in their studies that the cranio-facial variability could just be due to genetic drift and other factors affecting cranio-facial plasticity in Native Americans.[4][5][6] "


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Fig. 1. Principal coordinate analysis of 31 world populations computed from Smith's MMD, based on 13 crown traits. AA, Australian Aborigine; A/P, Afghanistan/Pakistan; B, Bengal; EE (bs), Early Eurasia (Black Sea); EE, Early Egypt; ENE, Early North Europe; ELB, Early Lake Baikal; EJ (Jo), Early Japan (Jomon); ESEA, Early South East Asia; ET, Early Taiwan; IHG, Indian hunting/gathering; J, Japan; M, Myanmar; Me, Melanesia; Mi, Micronesia; N, Nepal; NA (AA), North Africa (Afro-Asiatic); NA (In), North American (Indian); NA (I), North American (Inuit); NC (M), North China (Mongolia); NE, North Europe; NME, Near Middle East; P, Polynesia; SA (B), South Africa (Bantu); SA (In), South American (Indian); SC, South China; SI, South India; SLHG, Sri Lankan hunting/gathering; SLS, Sri Lankan Sinhalese; SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil; T, Thailand.

You can see Early Japan (Jomon) is closest to Australian Aboriginies (AA). Furthermore, on PC1, Early Japan (Jomon) is completely within the Pacific cluster, and completely within the pan-Australoid (including Sri Lankan) cluster in PC2.

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Jomon are more related to paleo-Mongoloids and Australoids.

Jomon have Y-DNA haplogroup D, the same group as Andaman Islanders, Tibeto-Burmans, Java Indonesians and Thais.

Native Americans are mostly Y-DNA haplogroup Q. Genetically, Mongolians, other Central Asians and Siberians are much closer to Native Americans compared to the Japanese.

Chart illustrating the genetic relationships between Asian and Oceanian populations

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Dental types among Asian populations

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Ainu, Okinawa and other Jomon Japanese groups are in the Southeast Asian cluster

Another genetic map:

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Cline 1 is associated with increasing genetic affinity towards Siberians (i.e. the closest genetic relatives to the Native Americans). Most Manchurians, Mongol and some Northern Han Chinese shift towards Siberians.

Cline 2 is associated with increasing genetic affinity towards Malay/Japanese populations.

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Negrito anthropological affiliations

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South Asian looking Japanese actor, Shimoji Isamu:
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You need to stop believing in every random chart you see. Ainu who are the closest genetic descendants of Jomons are genetically tested to be 100% East Asian with no caucasian or australoid blood in their autosomal DNA, so if Ainu are 100 % East Asian than the same goes for Jomon aswell.

The only Ameridian closely related to Mongolians are Eskimo's, Inuits who were recent migrant from Siberia

Mongolians, Chinese, Eskimo, Korean, Japanese, Tibetan= NEO-MONGOLOID

Ameridians, Ainu, Jomon = PROTO-MONGOLOID


There's even an chart for Koreans and Melanesians are genetic brothers. This shows you shouldn't just believe any Chart without the name of an scientist or anthropologists.
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FACIAL RECONSTRUCTION OF JOMONS
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KENNEWICK MAN IS OVER 9000 YEARS OLD, HE IS GENETICALLY RELATED TO JOMONS.

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JOMON MALE RECONSTRUCTION
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AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINES LOOK NOTHING LIKE JOMONS

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Paragroup D*Adamans have nothing to do with Japanese D2, Tibetan D1, and D3a Tibeto-Burmese. All those subclades have evolved genetically separately from 60,000 years ago. Also the the small frequencies Javanese with Haplogroup D is related with Thais and Burmese D3a.

That is only one study which showed noise admixture of South Asians. Other studies show them to be completely 0%.

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Those minor South Asian admixture have nothing to do with Ainu. The ainu are genetically speaking 100% mongoloid, if there is little South Asian admixture in Japanese it's because Cambodians, Vietnamese, Thais who may have constituted one of the migration to Japan. Even Russians have 12.5% Mongoloid DNA and even even the western Europeans have little bit of Siberian DNA.

Even the Indo-European of Central India have 9% Mongoloid DNA, but it's not because of Mongoloid people but because the austro-Asiatic people of India have 19-27% Mongoloid DNA in the Autosomal DNA

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Southeast Asians have small frequencies South Asian mtDNA 3.8% and South Asian Y-DNA 5%

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Native Americans are mostly Y-DNA haplogroup Q. Genetically, Mongolians, other Central Asians and Siberians are much closer to Native Americans compared to the Japanese.


According to whom may I ask? Most Native Americans are grouped closer to Ainu that's because both are Proto-Mongoloid, Native American and Ainu are both paleolithic descent of proto-mongoloid type unlike rest who are Neo-mongoloid. However the Eskimo and Inuits are related to Mongolians and are Neo-Mongoloids. Native American (with the acception of Eskimo, Inuit and some southern aboriginal Indians) have genetically and morphologically diverged, physically, evolved from Eastern Siberians since 16,000 to 40,000 years ago.

Cavalli-Sforza said were in the Northeast and East Asian cluster were the Koryak, Chukchi, Reindeer Chukchi, Nganasan Samoyed, N. Tungus, Nentsy, N. Chinese, Tibetan, Bhutanese, Ainu, Mongol, Japanese and Korean.[19] Moving south, the ethnic groups Cavalli-Sforza said were in the Southeast Asian cluster were the Indonesian, Malaysian, Taiwan aborigines, Viet Muong, Thai, Philippine, S. Chinese, Balinese and Gurkha.[19] Geneticist Cavalli-Sforza LL and Institute of Genetics Chinese Academy of Sciences shows that S. Chinese are also an intermediate between the N. Chinese and Southeast Asian.[68][69]
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This is the original chart:

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You can see that the font is all correct and there is no editing. This is the correct version.
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This is the original chart:

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You can see that the font is all correct and there is no editing. This is the correct version.
And this is why I said before not to believe in every random genetic chart you see.

You have neither the link to the study, the name to the scientist or even the author.

ARE YOU REALLY THIS GULLIBLE TO BELIEVE IN THESE CHARTS? these charts were made by Koreans to slander Japanese. This chart is not from any scientific study it were manipulated and created on purpose . Unlike you I have names of American, Japanese, European who proposed that Jomon and Ainu are proto-mongoloid. What about you? what do you have that supports the theory they are Australoids? NONE. The only thing you can provide are nameless and fake scientific charts made by Koreans.
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Stop this nonsense, there's even an distorted Chart that showed that Romanians are Gypsies but that was distorted by Hungarians because the Romanians made an fake chart about modern Hungarians being Mongoloid.


The genetic relationships within the human race today published by L.L. Cavalli-Sforza et al, 1994,


This an real scientific chart (no distortions)


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As you can see from the chart Japanese are in the same cluster as Koreans, both are in the East Asian cluster. Mongolian and samoyed share an same cluster, both are also in the East Asian cluster. Tibetan are also in the East Asian cluster, the same would also be for Bhutanese and North Han Chinese. However south Chinese are mixture of East Asian 23-45% and South East Asian 55-77%, so they are closer to Southeast Asian therefore there in the Southeast Asian cluster.

Amerindians are in it's own cluster, as shown there not closely related with Mongolians. This does not change the fact both Ainu and Ameridians are both Proto-mongoloid people, I'm talking about in phenotype.

Ainu are in the East cluster despite being 60% Jomon, but since you boldly claimed Ainu are South Asians or Australian aborigines, Melanesian even negrito, why aren't they in the same cluster as them?

Here's an list of Scientist and anthropologists who claimed Ainu and Jomon are East Asians proto-mongoloid.


1. Sleeboom-Faulkner of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Sussex

2. Mark J. Hudson Professor of Anthropology at Nishikyushu University, Kanzaki, Saga, Japan,

3. Kanzō Umehara Professor of Anthropology

4. Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., Menozzi, P. & Piazza, A. (1994). The History and Geography of Human Genes. New Jersey: Princeton University Press.

5. Arnold Henry Savage Landor (1970) was an English writer and anthropologist

6. Sleeboom, Margaret. Academic Nations in China and Japan. Routledge: UK, 2004. I

7. Omoto Japanese geneticist

9. Tokunaga K, Ohashi J, Bannai M, Juji T. Department of Human Genetics, Graduate School of Medicine, University of Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan. tokunaga@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp

10. Dr. Marta Mirazon Lahr of the Department of Biological Anthropology at Cambridge University

NOW....where is the evidence for your theories that they are australoid??? NONE. The only thing you have that can back your own wild theories are distorted genetic charts and nonsense interpretations.
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I found the study:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X11000588

Nonmetric tooth crowntraits in a Sri Lankan aboriginal Vedda population
Available online 3 October 2011.


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Fig. 1. Principal coordinate analysis of 31 world populations computed from Smith's MMD, based on 13 crown traits. AA, Australian Aborigine; A/P, Afghanistan/Pakistan; B, Bengal; EE (bs), Early Eurasia (Black Sea); EE, Early Egypt; ENE, Early North Europe; ELB, Early Lake Baikal; EJ (Jo), Early Japan (Jomon); ESEA, Early South East Asia; ET, Early Taiwan; IHG, Indian hunting/gathering; J, Japan; M, Myanmar; Me, Melanesia; Mi, Micronesia; N, Nepal; NA (AA), North Africa (Afro-Asiatic); NA (In), North American (Indian); NA (I), North American (Inuit); NC (M), North China (Mongolia); NE, North Europe; NME, Near Middle East; P, Polynesia; SA (B), South Africa (Bantu); SA (In), South American (Indian); SC, South China; SI, South India; SLHG, Sri Lankan hunting/gathering; SLS, Sri Lankan Sinhalese; SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil; T, Thailand.

It's actually a very recent study as you can see (October 2011). These are dental traits which are highly determined by genetics. This confirms that the Jomon Japanese, Australian Aboriginies and other Sahul Southeast Asians (Micronesians, Melanesians and early Southeast Asians) share similar phenotypes.

You can't deny scientific results. Jomon Japanese are closest to Australian Aboriginies going by dental phenotype.
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Maybe you didn't notice it but your study does not show Jomon and Australian aborigines are close but have large gap, at least if you it compared with others. Your study also shows NE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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Maybe you didn't notice it but your study does not show Jomon and Australian aborigines are close but have large gap, at least if you it compared with others. Your study also shows NE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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Journal of Northwest anthropology

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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i disagree taiwanese aboriginals dont look anything like ainu

austronesians are the true proto-mongoloids
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Ainu are cold adapted australoids
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australian aboriginals are southern australoids
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Maybe you didn't notice it but your study does not show Jomon and Australian aborigines are close but have large gap, at least if you it compared with others. Your study also shows NE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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Journal of Northwest anthropology

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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i disagree taiwanese aboriginals dont look anything like ainu

austronesians are the true proto-mongoloids
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Nonsense, an estimated 22% of Filipino have Chinese blood due to Chinese migrants marrying Filipina. Even Taiwanese aborigines today have 10% Han Chinese DNA markers especially among Amis. Even 90% of the Taiwanese Han people are an mixture of Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines. If you look East Asian is because of your East Asian blood, not because your East Asians. Although you maybe genetically considered East Asian like the Ainu and Jomon, Filipino are morphological Southeast Asians.

DO NOT assume that those nose types of Ainu are Australoid influence when it is Mongoloid influenced. Australian aborigines have an much wider nose than Ainu.

Taiwan aborigines are the ancestors of most modern Filipino.
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Maybe you didn't notice it but your study does not show Jomon and Australian aborigines are close but have large gap, at least if you it compared with others. Your study also shows NE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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i disagree taiwanese aboriginals dont look anything like ainu

austronesians are the true proto-mongoloids
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Ainu are cold adapted australoids
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australian aboriginals are southern australoids
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Nonsense, an estimated 22% of Filipino have Chinese blood due to Chinese migrants marrying Filipina. Even Taiwanese aborigines today have 10% Han Chinese DNA markers especially among Amis. Even 90% of the Taiwanese Han people are an mixture of Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines. If you look East Asian is because of your East Asian blood, not because your East Asians. Although you maybe genetically considered East Asian like the Ainu and Jomon, Filipino are morphological Southeast Asians.

DO NOT assume that those nose types of Ainu are Australoid influence when it is Mongoloid influenced. Australian aborigines have an much wider nose than Ainu.

Taiwan aborigines are the ancestors of most modern Filipino.
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those are the city folk....usually the upper class society

they girl I posted comes from a indigenous ethnic group from northern philippines...the starting point of where taiwanese aboriginals arrived

even in taiwan there were much diversity within the taiwanese aboriginal groups
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there are entire towns in northern philippines where the people look strongly taiwanese aboriginal
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by the way to look mongoloid you must be mongoloid....having partial mongoloid blood is not enough

btw this half papuan half japanese woman looks clearly ainu...i wonder why

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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Journal of Northwest anthropology

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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Ainu are cold adapted australoids
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australian aboriginals are southern australoids
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Nonsense, an estimated 22% of Filipino have Chinese blood due to Chinese migrants marrying Filipina. Even Taiwanese aborigines today have 10% Han Chinese DNA markers especially among Amis. Even 90% of the Taiwanese Han people are an mixture of Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines. If you look East Asian is because of your East Asian blood, not because your East Asians. Although you maybe genetically considered East Asian like the Ainu and Jomon, Filipino are morphological Southeast Asians.

DO NOT assume that those nose types of Ainu are Australoid influence when it is Mongoloid influenced. Australian aborigines have an much wider nose than Ainu.

Taiwan aborigines are the ancestors of most modern Filipino.
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those are the city folk....usually the upper class society

they girl I posted comes from a indigenous ethnic group from northern philippines...the starting point of where taiwanese aboriginals arrived

even in taiwan there were much diversity within the taiwanese aboriginal groups
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there are entire towns in northern philippines where the people look strongly taiwanese aboriginal
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by the way to look mongoloid you must be mongoloid....having partial mongoloid blood is not enough





There was intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines during the 17th century, and there is today also intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines.

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Define Mongoloid? The original mongoloid certainty didn't look like Chinese, Mongolians, Korean, Japanese. They look more like proto-mongoloid Ainu and Native Americans, than came the Southeast Asian look, than finally came the East Asians who were effected by the ice age and shrink their facial features.

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btw this half papuan half japanese woman looks clearly ainu...i wonder why


I'm wondering if you're not wearing your glasses, because you clearly have bad eyesight. Or perhaps you're so desperate to make your point an fact that you would even cheat yourself to make believe others.


Anthropologist Arnold Henry Savage Landor described the Ainu as having deep-set eyes and an eye shape typical of Europeans, with a large and prominent browridge, large ears, hairy and prone to baldness, slightly flattened hook nose with large and broad nostrils, prominent cheek bones, large mouth and thick lips and a long region from nose to mouth and small chin region.[41]

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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Journal of Northwest anthropology

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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Ainu are cold adapted australoids
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australian aboriginals are southern australoids
Posted ImageDO NOT assume that those nose types of Ainu are Australoid influence when it is Mongoloid influenced. Australian aborigines have an much wider nose than Ainu.

Taiwan aborigines are the ancestors of most modern Filipino.
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those are the city folk....usually the upper class society

they girl I posted comes from a indigenous ethnic group from northern philippines...the starting point of where taiwanese aboriginals arrived

even in taiwan there were much diversity within the taiwanese aboriginal groups
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there are entire towns in northern philippines where the people look strongly taiwanese aboriginal
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by the way to look mongoloid you must be mongoloid....having partial mongoloid blood is not enough





There was intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines during the 17th century, and there is today also intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines.

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Define Mongoloid? The original mongoloid certainty didn't look like Chinese, Mongolians, Korean, Japanese. They look more like proto-mongoloid Ainu and Native Americans, than came the Southeast Asian look, than finally came the East Asians who were effected by the ice age and shrink their facial features.

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btw this half papuan half japanese woman looks clearly ainu...i wonder why


I'm wondering if you're not wearing your glasses, because you clearly have bad eyesight. Or perhaps you're so desperate to make your point an fact that you would even cheat yourself to make believe others.


Anthropologist Arnold Henry Savage Landor described the Ainu as having deep-set eyes and an eye shape typical of Europeans, with a large and prominent browridge, large ears, hairy and prone to baldness, slightly flattened hook nose with large and broad nostrils, prominent cheek bones, large mouth and thick lips and a long region from nose to mouth and small chin region.[41]

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even though taiwanese chinese are hybrids between austronesians and chinese..they are undistinguishable from mainlanders..

just proving that taiwanese aboriginals are diverse according to their tribes.....as some are more EA in phenotype then others

funny you just described australoid features..prominent browridge, deep set eyes, etc
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNE, North Europe; are very close to SLT, Sri Lankan Tamil. It even shows M, Myammar are very close to NA North Africa and EE Early Egypt that's another mistake. It than even showed that the Early Taiwan aborigines are very close are close to J, Japan, and SC, South China,... THOSE ARE ALL MISTAKES

I've circle the parts just point out this bs study mistakes.
Don't me you also believe that North Europeans are very close to Sri Lankan tamils?

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Journal of Northwest anthropology

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AINU AND JOMON DENTAL = ARCHAIC MONGOLOID

" Based on the studies of cranial and dental features, the Jomon population was Archaic Mongoloids, which was not adapted to the cold environment. The Ainu also, Hanihara states, belong to the Archaic Mongoloids, and they came to Japan "

"The Jomon and Ainu human remains share similarities (Ukmchara and Hanihara 1982). The characteristics of Ainu teeth show that they are Mongolloids (Hanihara 1979) "

" Archaic mongoloid population can be found in Taiwan aborigines "

" The Jōmon share many physical characteristics with Caucasians, but Brace says that they are a separate genetic stock"

AND YES....there is indeed Archaic mongoloid people in Taiwan aborigines.

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Ainu are cold adapted australoids
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australian aboriginals are southern australoids
Posted ImageDO NOT assume that those nose types of Ainu are Australoid influence when it is Mongoloid influenced. Australian aborigines have an much wider nose than Ainu.

Taiwan aborigines are the ancestors of most modern Filipino.
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there are entire towns in northern philippines where the people look strongly taiwanese aboriginal
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by the way to look mongoloid you must be mongoloid....having partial mongoloid blood is not enough





There was intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines during the 17th century, and there is today also intermarriage between Han Chinese and Taiwan aborigines.

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Define Mongoloid? The original mongoloid certainty didn't look like Chinese, Mongolians, Korean, Japanese. They look more like proto-mongoloid Ainu and Native Americans, than came the Southeast Asian look, than finally came the East Asians who were effected by the ice age and shrink their facial features.

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btw this half papuan half japanese woman looks clearly ainu...i wonder why


I'm wondering if you're not wearing your glasses, because you clearly have bad eyesight. Or perhaps you're so desperate to make your point an fact that you would even cheat yourself to make believe others.


Anthropologist Arnold Henry Savage Landor described the Ainu as having deep-set eyes and an eye shape typical of Europeans, with a large and prominent browridge, large ears, hairy and prone to baldness, slightly flattened hook nose with large and broad nostrils, prominent cheek bones, large mouth and thick lips and a long region from nose to mouth and small chin region.[41]

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even though taiwanese chinese are hybrids between austronesians and chinese..they are undistinguishable from mainlanders..

just proving that taiwanese aboriginals are diverse according to their tribes.....as some are more EA in phenotype then others

funny you just described australoid features..prominent browridge, deep set eyes, etc
Some Taiwan aborigines have Han Chinese East Asian genes in them. Taiwanese Han are indistinguishable from the mainlanders because most of them are 3/4 Han Chinese + 1/4 Taiwanese aborigines. Japanese are 4/5 Yaoi + 1/5 Jomon blood on average that also explains why they look indistinguishable from Chinese and Koreans.

Large and prominent browridge + slightly flattened hook nose with large and broad nostrils = Ainu nose
deep-set eyes and an eye shape typical of Europeans = Ainu eyes

I don't see how you can think those are Australoid features when you can also find those traits in Europeans and Ameridians.

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