Higgs Boson Nearly Proven to Exist

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Higgs Boson Nearly Proven to Exist; what they call the "god particle", work from the particle collider "CERN"
Topic Started: Jul 3 2012, 12:04 PM (1,213 Views)
dapork	Jul 3 2012, 12:04 PM Post #1
daporkyoupine Posts: 2,956 Group: Members Member #517 Joined: Sep 15, 2009	An important piece of the puzzle. http://thechronicleherald.ca/world/113224-higgs-boson-has-world-of-physics-in-a-frenzy http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/scientists-unveil-proof-god-particle-165431909.html Here's a nice little documentary that accounts their research: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4-wVzjnQRI[/youtube] BTW, don't read too much into the fact that it's been dubbed "the god particle". A lot of people are actually trying to get rid of that misleading name. Edited by dapork, Jul 3 2012, 12:06 PM.
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Robert	Jul 3 2012, 01:47 PM Post #2
Advanced Member Posts: 6,402 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	Good news for Scottish physicists and people who trust in reason and empirical proof for explanations of "the meaning of life", rather than waiting for a bipolar bearded man in the clouds to whisper it in their ear.



Delilah	Jul 3 2012, 03:28 PM Post #3
Tan Boricua como el coqui Posts: 16,650 Group: Members Member #125 Joined: Dec 2, 2008 Gender: Female Ancestry: Hispanic/Latino Religion: Christian Politics: Center	Robert Jul 3 2012, 01:47 PM Good news for Scottish physicists and people who trust in reason and empirical proof for explanations of "the meaning of life", rather than waiting for a bipolar bearded man in the clouds to whisper it in their ear. This will still not tell you the meaning of life Rob. But its an important scientific discovery. I saw it yesterday. Has nothing to do with God don't know why they gave it that name. We don't know what God looks like Rob. Why do you keep misrepresenting Him?



Caudium	Jul 3 2012, 03:54 PM Post #4
Memba Posts: 6,919 Group: Members Member #132 Joined: Dec 3, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: Southern European Religion: Spiritual Politics: Center	Can't wait for the press release. Bye Bye, God people!



Delilah	Jul 3 2012, 04:49 PM Post #5
Tan Boricua como el coqui Posts: 16,650 Group: Members Member #125 Joined: Dec 2, 2008 Gender: Female Ancestry: Hispanic/Latino Religion: Christian Politics: Center	Caudium Jul 3 2012, 03:54 PM Can't wait for the press release. Bye Bye, God people! I thought being spiritual meant you believed in a higher power. I guess not.



Robert	Jul 3 2012, 04:55 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Posts: 6,402 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	You can be spiritual without being delusional. You just need to be connected and in tune with the multifaceted nature of existence without letting the prospect of nihilism scare you to the point where you need to convince yourself of fairy tails. Buddhists are spiritual, but they aren't delusional, for example.



Delilah	Jul 3 2012, 04:58 PM Post #7
Tan Boricua como el coqui Posts: 16,650 Group: Members Member #125 Joined: Dec 2, 2008 Gender: Female Ancestry: Hispanic/Latino Religion: Christian Politics: Center	Robert Jul 3 2012, 04:55 PM You can be spiritual without being delusional. You just need to be connected and in tune with the multifaceted nature of existence without letting the prospect of nihilism scare you to the point where you need to convince yourself of fairy tails. Buddhists are spiritual, but they aren't delusional, for example. I can't argue with you there about Buddhists because I don't know enough about them. But I happen to not be a nihilist as I believe there is a purpose for everything. I don't know why you guys feel so compelled to attack something that you don't even believe in. This thread is about a scientific discovery. Let's keep it to that. Edited by Delilah, Jul 3 2012, 05:01 PM.



Robert	Jul 3 2012, 05:01 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 6,402 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	Well one of the reasons religion was created was because of a fear of nihilism. That doesn't mean that there is no purpose. It's just getting beyond the prospect and fear of nihilism makes people spiritual. You can be atheist and still spiritual.



Delilah	Jul 3 2012, 05:05 PM Post #9
Tan Boricua como el coqui Posts: 16,650 Group: Members Member #125 Joined: Dec 2, 2008 Gender: Female Ancestry: Hispanic/Latino Religion: Christian Politics: Center	Robert Jul 3 2012, 05:01 PM Well one of the reasons religion was created was because of a fear of nihilism. That doesn't mean that there is no purpose. It's just getting beyond the prospect and fear of nihilism makes people spiritual. You can be atheist and still spiritual. That's not why it was created. I'm not afraid of death. Because according to those who don't believe in God, when I am dead I will not know anything. I will feel nothing either. There will be no need to be afraid of anything then right? I don't see how you can be atheist and spiritual. Makes no sense. The essence of being spiritual is that you think there is more to life than what is immediately apparent. Spiritual defined of or pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a spiritual approach to life. Got to eat lunch. Am starving! Edited by Delilah, Jul 3 2012, 05:13 PM.



~~Orgasmo~~	Jul 3 2012, 05:28 PM Post #10
Banned Posts: 187 Group: Banned Member #1,523 Joined: Jan 31, 2011	Spiritualism is another word for an emotional state of awe and wonder. An emotional attachment to other beings, locations, events and/or the Universe. This emotion predates organized religion and is not the exclusive property of the religious. Any normal person can feel 'spiritual'. The roots of 'spiritualism' are in assigning agency and intentions to inanimate things. See Pascal Boyer. Dogs and other higher animals have agency mental patterns in the theory of mind. Agency was naturally selected for to be wary of strange things, because if you're wrong, then there is no consequence.
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Delilah	Jul 3 2012, 06:17 PM Post #11
Tan Boricua como el coqui Posts: 16,650 Group: Members Member #125 Joined: Dec 2, 2008 Gender: Female Ancestry: Hispanic/Latino Religion: Christian Politics: Center	Orgasmo Jul 3 2012, 05:28 PM Spiritualism is another word for an emotional state of awe and wonder. An emotional attachment to other beings, locations, events and/or the Universe. This emotion predates organized religion and is not the exclusive property of the religious. Any normal person can feel 'spiritual'. The roots of 'spiritualism' are in assigning agency and intentions to inanimate things. See Pascal Boyer. Dogs and other higher animals have agency mental patterns in the theory of mind. Agency was naturally selected for to be wary of strange things, because if you're wrong, then there is no consequence. That is if you believe that man has a soul or spirit to begin with. @Rob It is wrong to say that people who believe in God are delusional. God has not been disproven. To be delusional you would have to believe something that has been proven to be false. Edited by Delilah, Jul 3 2012, 06:25 PM.



faintsmile1992	Jul 3 2012, 10:09 PM Post #12
A cat of a different coat Posts: 6,514 Group: Members Member #2,510 Joined: Sep 17, 2011 Gender: Female Ancestry: European Religion: Spiritual Politics: Independent	"The Higgs mechanism is an essential part of the Standard Model of high-energy physics and has been quantitatively confirmed since the 1970s. The value of the mass was unknown, and there is always the possibility of some other explanation for the data, but the Higgs was discovered in the 1970s." http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2012/07/higgs-boson-discovered.html http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2012/06/finding-higgs-mechanism-and-boson.html
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GenoMann	Jul 4 2012, 02:22 AM Post #13
Advanced Member Posts: 3,518 Group: Members Member #2,140 Joined: Jun 29, 2011 Gender: Male Ancestry: Northern European Religion: Roman Catholic Politics: Far Right	Robert Jul 3 2012, 05:01 PM Well one of the reasons religion was created was because of a fear of nihilism. That doesn't mean that there is no purpose. It's just getting beyond the prospect and fear of nihilism makes people spiritual. You can be atheist and still spiritual. You will then post a new thread talking about the fear of nihilism and how that squares with saints who chose martyrdom for their faith. Delilah Jul 3 2012, 04:49 PM Caudium Jul 3 2012, 03:54 PM Can't wait for the press release. Bye Bye, God people! I thought being spiritual meant you believed in a higher power. I guess not. Pedrhaps the higher power spiritual atheists mean is themselves. Robert Jul 3 2012, 04:55 PM You can be spiritual without being delusional. You just need to be connected and in tune with the multifaceted nature of existence without letting the prospect of nihilism scare you to the point where you need to convince yourself of fairy tails. Buddhists are spiritual, but they aren't delusional, for example. Buddhism is a religious philosophy - a workable compromise for people who want a religion without a Creator. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Higg's Boson theory is a blind alley. You can bet if they do find it, it will be all over the media with a great deal of explanation available. Edited by GenoMann, Jul 4 2012, 02:29 AM.
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Nam	Jul 4 2012, 12:43 PM Post #14
Senior Member Posts: 1,781 Group: Members Member #739 Joined: Feb 25, 2010 Gender: Male Ancestry: East Asian Religion: Spiritual Politics: Center	I dont believe in Higg boson, because not all energy can be quantified, if you say that electron i massless and boson having mass or giving mas to the others it does not make sense since you do not understand why electron interact less or doesnot interact with higgs field, so it sounds like h-boson and electron are two unrelated particle and you still claiming h-bosom as god particle, isnt it rediculous.
	FucЖeveriwon ..maybe like sun too, as if these tiny beings loved sunlight so much, they imitated the radiating sun, created their own architecture of sun worship.


faintsmile1992	Jul 4 2012, 01:31 PM Post #15
A cat of a different coat Posts: 6,514 Group: Members Member #2,510 Joined: Sep 17, 2011 Gender: Female Ancestry: European Religion: Spiritual Politics: Independent	Huh? This has been known to be true since the 70s. "It did not really take 50 years to appreciate the value of that work. By 1970, it was clear that the Higgs mechanism gave an important class of models that were advantageous over all the known alternatives. By 1975, we were getting experimental confirmation of those models. The recent LHC experiments add the value of the Higgs mass, but the theoretical and experimental evidence for the SM with Higgs mechanism had been known for decades."
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monte	Jul 4 2012, 07:18 PM Post #16
E Pluribus Unum Posts: 826 Group: Members Member #3,373 Joined: Apr 10, 2012 Gender: Male Ancestry: Southern European Religion: Christian Politics: Independent	So now that the Higgs boson most likely exists, God doesn't. I guess I'm going to have to become an athiest...I mean, that just clinches it. This particle still exists in the physical universe and by no means explains source Edited by monte, Jul 4 2012, 07:33 PM.
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Nam	Jul 4 2012, 07:28 PM Post #17
Senior Member Posts: 1,781 Group: Members Member #739 Joined: Feb 25, 2010 Gender: Male Ancestry: East Asian Religion: Spiritual Politics: Center	Well, I have been reading about this, what I saw as the major problem is that the basis of this theory, the Higgs mechanism(purely theoretical), basically a supporting theory to the big bang myth. The Higgs mechanism itself can not be proven, so the higgs boson can not be proven too. Even if you find a new particle with similar property ascribed to higgs boson, if you can not prove that Higg mechanism exists, it can not be proven as higgs boson. Edited by Nam, Jul 4 2012, 07:32 PM.
	FucЖeveriwon ..maybe like sun too, as if these tiny beings loved sunlight so much, they imitated the radiating sun, created their own architecture of sun worship.


Nam	Jul 5 2012, 03:07 AM Post #18
Senior Member Posts: 1,781 Group: Members Member #739 Joined: Feb 25, 2010 Gender: Male Ancestry: East Asian Religion: Spiritual Politics: Center	Good PDF about Higgs mechanism: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/4073/1/higgs.pdf Clearly it is not yet proven.
	FucЖeveriwon ..maybe like sun too, as if these tiny beings loved sunlight so much, they imitated the radiating sun, created their own architecture of sun worship.


The Baron	Jul 5 2012, 03:12 AM Post #19
The Baron Posts: 3,010 Group: Members Member #3,126 Joined: Jan 24, 2012 Gender: Male Religion: Christian Politics: Right	Hmm interesting I could have sworn I remember hearing about this some time ago...
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Bulletproofpride	Jul 5 2012, 03:28 AM Post #20
Advanced Member Posts: 4,073 Group: Members Member #3,495 Joined: Jun 19, 2012 Gender: Male Religion: Muslim	Nothing special, The Quran talks about this "discovery" in one simple yet clear verse. "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?" [Al Anbiya 21:30]



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