Mirror

Jun 27 2012, 04:47 PM

It's simple: If a Jew gets mistaken for a European that means he looks European and he is white phenotypically. And many Jews look European indeed, especially Ashenazi ones. But Mizrahi or Sephardi ones tend to look non-white.

JewFist

Jun 27 2012, 05:04 PM

I've met plenty of Mizrahi Jews who look virtually no different than Ashkenazi or Sephardi. I wish I had pictures of them.

Semitic Duwa

Jun 27 2012, 05:22 PM

JewFist

Jun 27 2012, 05:04 PM

I've met plenty of Mizrahi Jews who look virtually no different than Ashkenazi or Sephardi. I wish I had pictures of them.

Sephardim and Ashkenazim are basically the same, they plot together and are near-indistinguishable.

JewFist

Jun 27 2012, 05:04 PM

Lots of non-Judean Middle Easterners and Latinos look very European as well. Why do we still consider them non-white, but not Jews?

Serb_For_Truth

Jun 27 2012, 06:51 PM

Most Middle-eastern people and all Europeans regardless from Greece, Sicily or Russia are labeled as white in the US. However a hundred years ago or so, white in US culture meant strictly anglo-saxon.

So the label is changing and morphing. Just politics really.

Serb_For_Truth

Jun 27 2012, 06:51 PM

Most Middle-eastern people and all Europeans regardless from Greece, Sicily or Russia are labeled as white in the US. However a hundred years ago or so, white in US culture meant strictly anglo-saxon.

So the label is changing and morphing. Just politics really.

Serb_For_Truth

Jun 27 2012, 06:51 PM

Most Middle-eastern people and all Europeans regardless from Greece, Sicily or Russia are labeled as white in the US. However a hundred years ago or so, white in US culture meant strictly anglo-saxon.

So the label is changing and morphing. Just politics really.

Berserk

Jun 27 2012, 10:03 PM

Middle Easterners and North Africans are only labeled as white in government forms and on the Census. That doesn't mean however that they're culturally accepted as white. Most Americans view Middle Easterners and North Africans as non-white, especially if they're Muslim. The term white typically describes people who look like they could come from a European country and also happen to be culturally Western. Islam is not culturally Western, so someone like this would not be accepted as white in the U.S.:





Whereas Arabs like Ralph Nader or Steve Jobs would be accepted as white because they're non-Muslim and they grew up in the United States, so they have a Western mindset.

Berserk

Jun 27 2012, 10:03 PM

Serb_For_Truth

Jun 27 2012, 06:51 PM

Most Middle-eastern people and all Europeans regardless from Greece, Sicily or Russia are labeled as white in the US. However a hundred years ago or so, white in US culture meant strictly anglo-saxon.

So the label is changing and morphing. Just politics really.

Middle Easterners and North Africans are only labeled as white in government forms and on the Census. That doesn't mean however that they're culturally accepted as white. Most Americans view Middle Easterners and North Africans as non-white, especially if they're Muslim. The term white typically describes people who look like they could come from a European country and also happen to be culturally Western. Islam is not culturally Western, so someone like this would not be accepted as white in the U.S.:



Whereas Arabs like Ralph Nader or Steve Jobs would be accepted as white because they're non-Muslim and they grew up in the United States, so they have a Western mindset.

PortuguesePoster

Jun 27 2012, 10:40 PM

I agree. The vast majority of Jews in the US come originally from European countries, especially Eastern and Central European countries and tend to be light complexioned with "off" features blended away and more importantly they are culturally European/western, unusual religion notwithstanding. If they had come from Morocco, Yemen or Persia instead of Russian and Germany they would probably not be considered white because Jews in these countries are culturally Arab or Oriental. Even in Israel there is cultural/ethnic tension between these groups.

Lebanese Maronites and Armenians, despite not being from Europe, were regarded in the past as "dark Catholic ethnic types" in the US just like southern Europeans. 2nd rate whites but whites nevertheless. Today their descendents are largely assimilated into mainstream whitedom.

PortuguesePoster

Jun 27 2012, 10:40 PM

I agree. The vast majority of Jews in the US come originally from European countries, especially Eastern and Central European countries and tend to be light complexioned with "off" features blended away and more importantly they are culturally European/western, unusual religion notwithstanding. If they had come from Morocco, Yemen or Persia instead of Russian and Germany they would probably not be considered white because Jews in these countries are culturally Arab or Oriental. Even in Israel there is cultural/ethnic tension between these groups.

Lebanese Maronites and Armenians, despite not being from Europe, were regarded in the past as "dark Catholic ethnic types" in the US just like southern Europeans. 2nd rate whites but whites nevertheless. Today their descendents are largely assimilated into mainstream whitedom.

Berserk

Jun 27 2012, 11:38 PM

PortuguesePoster

Jun 27 2012, 10:40 PM

I agree. The vast majority of Jews in the US come originally from European countries, especially Eastern and Central European countries and tend to be light complexioned with "off" features blended away and more importantly they are culturally European/western, unusual religion notwithstanding. If they had come from Morocco, Yemen or Persia instead of Russian and Germany they would probably not be considered white because Jews in these countries are culturally Arab or Oriental. Even in Israel there is cultural/ethnic tension between these groups.

Lebanese Maronites and Armenians, despite not being from Europe, were regarded in the past as "dark Catholic ethnic types" in the US just like southern Europeans. 2nd rate whites but whites nevertheless. Today their descendents are largely assimilated into mainstream whitedom.

Exactly! Americans and Europeans are willing to overlook minor differences in facial features and skin tone between themselves and Middle Easterners or Jews, but they're not willing to overlook alien cultural elements like Islam and foreign cultural practices. There was a time in the United States when only Northwest European types were considered white, with the one exception being the Irish since even though they were NW European, the Irish were culturally different from the mainstream Anglo Americans since they were Catholics.

The WASPs of that time saw the Irish as representing a cultural threat to them, since they did not want the Catholic Church influencing affairs in the United States, so that's why Irish people were labeled as non-white, even going so far as to draw ridiculous cartoons of Irish people to make them seem different.


Notice how the Irish man in this pic is portrayed as looking almost like an Australian Aboriginal. From left to right (Irish man, Anglo man, Black man):





An Irish crowd attacking Anglo-American police officers. Notice how they look like monsters:





More cartoons depicting Irish people:









In the first part of the 20th century, massive immigration from Italy and Eastern Europe scared mainstream WASP Americans since traditionally their population had been made up of NW Europeans, so they regarded those types to be white. It wasn't until the second half of the 20th century that Southern and Eastern European immigrants to the United States were accepted as white because once they assimilated into the mainstream Anglo culture, then there wasn't much difference between them and the WASPs.

Middle Easterners and North Africans on the other hand have a more difficult time assimilating and being accepted as white, because aside from the fact that many of them are too swarthy looking with distinct facial features, most of them practice Islam which has historically been hated by Westerners since it represents a threat to Christianity, and the Christian base upon which Western cultures are built is at odds with Islamic cultural practices.

Ashkenazi Jews don't have this problem because they've been living in Europe for centuries, so they're fully assimilated to European culture, except for the Orthodox Jews, although they tend to keep to themselves for the most part. Someone like Einstein would never be viewed as non-white, except by Stormfront types who are delusional and not in tune with mainstream society.