| Scientists are accused of distorting theory of human evolution; Briton says Spanish researchers are out by 200,000 years and have even got the wrong species | |
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Jun 13 2012, 03:57 AM Post #21 |
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Seriously you people are resorting to saying humans come from monkeys? Then how did monkeys become humans? magic? You cant just magically transform into another species. Maybe I will be a cat tommorow morning and everyone will become a cat at once!! XD Western society is doomed. |
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| Toiletman | Jun 13 2012, 04:29 AM Post #22 |
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Actually, what is the part of humans coming from monkeys that is odd? What would speak against that? You know what, we even came from FISH, that was just much longer ago. And coming of them does not mean coming from modern monkeys or fish but having the same ancestor somewhen. Nobody said anything else here you illiterate muslim. Your religion is the doom of the western world but that's another topic for another threat. |
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| Pyramid Song | Jun 13 2012, 05:03 AM Post #23 |
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Jun 13 2012, 07:47 AM Post #24 |
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When did 7eleven became a muslin? I thought you hated them. |
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| Toiletman | Jun 13 2012, 07:56 AM Post #25 |
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He was probably sent in a madrassa in North Pakistan to get brainwashed lol |
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| tageldunt_zelda | Jun 13 2012, 08:29 AM Post #26 |
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lol i feel really sorry for that 7eleven guy.. muslims like him really annoy me -__- ... he thinks people who believe in evolution should be burned alive ? i dare you to come over here and do that to me !!!  While they are plenty of intelligent reformed muslims that are actually active in the science and mathematical fields.... and who have absolutely no problem with evolution, he comes along and reinforces the idea that all muslims are retarded and violent.. nice.... |
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| Crimson Guard | Jun 13 2012, 08:32 AM Post #27 |
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I already said to stay on topic which is not about 7 eleven(and religion) and dont troll eachother. |
     
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| dapork | Jun 13 2012, 08:45 AM Post #28 |
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He's not even muslim lol, so I dunno what his deal is today. Anyway we know we have evolved... the point of this article though was never about our own ancestors, just an offshoot branch from our ancient family. I thought they had a way of dating the fossils themselves? I wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of intermediary population; I bet the time period for different species is not as clear-cut as we think. I would love for it all to be mapped out with certainty; it seems like we're doing that slowly, which is awesome. It's amazing to have a map of our ancestry and evolution spanning back millennia. |
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| New Englander | Jun 13 2012, 05:39 PM Post #29 |
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We didn't come from "monkeys". And explain to me how people on an anthropology web site have a hard time believing in evolution? A German person and A Australia aboriginal look very different, and a few hundred years ago when people didn't know what germs were and thought flies magically appeared on rotten meat looked at non-whites and compared them to monkeys as if they were not human. The fact of the matter is they are both human, end of story. But how the hell can they look so different from each other, must be monkey magic? If humans according to the bible have been on Earth for what 8,000 years? it only took 8,000 years for Adam ( ash man ) and Eve ( rib lady ) to turn an inbreed population into a billion highly diversified and adapted individuals, then imagine how much we could have changed in 100,000 years. |
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| Djincs | Jun 13 2012, 07:19 PM Post #30 |
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 ^"Reclassifying the Sima fossils as Neanderthals rather than heidelbergensis puts heidelbergensis back at the heart of human evolution as the last common ancestor." Edited by Djincs, Jun 13 2012, 07:19 PM.
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| tageldunt_zelda | Jun 14 2012, 12:06 AM Post #31 |
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Very interesting article by the way.. i would like to read more about this subject !!! 
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| monte | Jun 14 2012, 04:35 PM Post #32 |
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Delilah, look up "Francis Collins - the Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence of Belief - The Veritas Forum" on YouTube. My beliefs largely correspond to his. He presents what I would consider compelling evidence for evolution - even though he doesn't go too in depth. Like him, I don't believe there is any contradiction between evolution and Christian Faith, if you hold to the view that it is our bodies that evolved from lower life forms while our human souls were a direct creation event - but then I don't hold to a literal interpretation of the beginning chapters of Genisis. I believe it was intended to be allegorical in its approach to explanation. It certainly reads that way, at least to me. |
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| Delilah | Jun 14 2012, 05:38 PM Post #33 |
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Will take a look. I never said I believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible either. There are clearly passages in the Bible that are never meant to be taken literally. Such as Jesus saying "I am the vine." Clearly he literally did not mean that's what He was. |
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| New Englander | Jun 14 2012, 05:55 PM Post #34 |
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Because Clearly that's a metaphor, But do you believe God took Adams Rib and made Eve to be literal? And wouldn't it make more sense for the woman to have been created first sense Females represent fertility in most cases? Or would that not make sense seeing how Monotheistic religions are oppressive towards women....
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| Delilah | Jun 14 2012, 06:13 PM Post #35 |
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I don't know exactly for sure New Englander. And I think the point of the Bible was not to explain how He God created the world. The how is not really that important. I think it was written in style that primitive man could understand. We have to put the Bible in its historical context too. They didn't have telescopes and microscopes then! Same thing with some of the passages about women. There are also passages in the Bible that tell slaves to obey their masters. But in another passage it says that whether slave or free, male or female we are all equal in Christ. I think the new ideas from Christianity were quite revolutionary at the time! Jesus treated women like equals. Christianity couldn't come completely and destroy all those male-dominating notions at once! |
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| New Englander | Jun 14 2012, 06:25 PM Post #36 |
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^ I agree, and understand where you are coming from. |
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| Delilah | Jun 14 2012, 06:34 PM Post #37 |
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Passamonte I don't think he explains how evolution is compatible with the biblical account sufficiently in depth. I didn't look at the whole youtube video though but I did look out some articles where he attempts to reconcile the two. The thing is I don't have a problem with science and only have a problem with the holes in this theory of evolution! |
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| monte | Jun 14 2012, 07:43 PM Post #38 |
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Theistic evolution - coupled with an allegorical interpretation of the first four chapters of Genesis - doesn't really require any reconciliation. I wanted you to see the clip (I know it's long) because he makes a strong argument for evolution by looking at the chromosomal similarities between humans and chimps and presents strong evidence that both species share a common ancestor; diverging along two separate evolutionary lines.
I believe evolution through natural selection adequately explains how species came to exist in their current forms. However, that's not to say that I don't have some questions. I find it hard to understand how natural selection, for example, can account for various complex systems such as the bacteria flagellum, the eyeball, clotting mechanisms of blood, etc., and I've heard the so called "arguments" from hardcore evolutionists; they fail to convince me. All that being said, I do believe their are natural, scientific explanations for them. Perhaps in the future, science will do a better job explaining it. What I refuse to do - and this is the scientist in me - is succumbing to a "God of the gaps" explanation for it all - something in which Christians all too often do (don't think I'm pointing a finger at you, I'm not, I'm just saying). There is no "gap" with me, only a beginning. That beginning is God who created the natural law for all this to unfold - precisely the way he wanted it. Edited by monte, Jun 14 2012, 08:35 PM.
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| Delilah | Jun 14 2012, 07:55 PM Post #39 |
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Yes of course if you regard the Genesis account as purely allegorical than of course there is no conflict. Makes it very easy that way. However, do you really believe that humans have evolved? I'm not sure of that despite claims of similarity. Similar is not 100% alike. Supposedly we share a similarity of 98% with chimps but that 2% surely makes us quite different. And yes I think I understand the concept, it doesn't mean we descend from them but that at one time we shared an ancestor and we followed one evolutionary path and they another. |
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| dapork | Jun 14 2012, 10:36 PM Post #40 |
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I saw this video a while back about possible eyeball evolution. What's interesting about this is there are examples of the different hypothetical stages in nature: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEKyqIJkuDQ[/youtube] Edited by dapork, Jun 14 2012, 10:38 PM.
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