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What race is common a big chin?
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I guess Albanians from the stereotype. But it depends what you mean by it, I assume you mean the pointy kind?

If not then yeah Faelids and CM.
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May 22 2012, 09:44 PM
I guess Albanians from the stereotype.
The first time I have ever heard of it. Albanians have very small chins. In fact I've heard Albanians being called 'pyramid heads', for the most common face shape which is the heart/inverted triangle shaped face. Not sure where you got this.
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1. The forehead and cheeks are wider than the jawline. Look for wide-set and well defined “apples” of the cheeks.
2. The jawline is well defined with a petite and angular chin.
http://eyedolatry.blogspot.com/2011/06/choosing-frames-for-heart-shaped-and.html
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I dont think any particular sub type despite what you're reading from above and they're all ultimately gonna be related. Both Alpines and Mediterraneans are modern day Cromagnons. Alpines & Mediterraneans have big chins and jaws, Mediterranean faces are though long and narrower than the Alpine which are more often shorter and broader.

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Basic Whites (Type A: Plate XL, u-y) are sturdy. They have large and long heads with somewhat low and receding bony foreheads, massive browridges, and a generally angular and ill-filled appearance emphasized in slight midline gabling of parietals and lamboid flattening just above the projecting occiput. Their almost trapezoid faces lack height, and show rectangular orbits, short, straight, coarse noses, angular profile, and strong chin and teeth. They were probably above medium stature, strong, dark-brown haired, and swarthy. They show noteworthy similarity to Chalcolithic Palestinians, Siculans, Chalcolithic Sardinians, and Neolithic type British, and are obviously also comparable to Atlanto-Mediterraneans in Mesopotamia. They are less homogeneous as a group than the other types, covering the range from a linear and high-skulled “Megalithic” variant with high, thin-nosed hatchet-face (A1 and A2: Cephallenian and Athenian in Plate XL, v, w), to a low-headed and squat-faced extreme with wide nose and low orbits (A4: S.C. Macedonian in Plate XL, u), with a central group (A3 and A5: Corinthian of Argive parentage and Lemnian in Plate XL, x and y) connecting these divergent tendencies.


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Classic Mediterraneans (Type B)

Classic Mediterraneans (Type B: Mytilenean, W. Cretan, and Corinthian of Argive parentage in Plate XL, r, s, and t) are light-boned, almost fragile. They have small, barely dolichocrane heads, pentagonoid in outline in both vertical and occipital views, contracted neck muscle area, and low almost vertical rounded foreheads. Their slender, fine-featured faces have square orbits, thin noses smooth and low in the nasion region, and a triangular taper down to pinched jaws with shallow and pointed chin, weak prognathism, and an overbite linked with subnormal degree of teeth wear. They were probably just below medium stature, gracile, slender-necked, brunet, with black or dark hair. They are virtually identical with ancient Libyans and modern Sicilians, and similar to Upper Egyptians of prehistoric and Early Dynastic dates, and to modern Spanish. Type B is the most homogeneous one, with only slight tendencies in longer-headed, linear-faced and smaller, more squat-faced directions.




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Alpines (Type C: Plate XL, a-e, and i) have shortened and laterally bulging heads, with weakly curved occiputs equipped with strong torus for neck muscles, broad and full foreheads (narrow relative to bulging parietals) and a short ovoid to sphenoid or spheroid outline in norma verticalis. Their heads as a whole range from “square” to globular. The Alpine face is low and orthognathous with square to hexagonal outline rounded at the angles. Non-retreating cheekbones, and dominantly short, low-rooted, non-salient and concave nose combine to give the face a certain flatness, emphasized further by alveolar retraction with short and low palate, and by a prominent chin linked with an edge bite and much worn and somewhat poor teeth. Alpines were notably short and probably stocky, and dominantly brunet. They resemble significantly both recent Carinthian villagers and medieval citizens of Hythe in Kent, with good approximations to Foothill Bavarians and to Bronze Age Eastern Cypriotes. This suggestion of divided resemblance is confirmed fully by Type C's slightly elevated variability. And various divergent tendencies are appreciable: C1, C2, and C3 (Maniote, E. Thracian, and Athenian in Plate XL, a, b, and c) tend respectively toward the globular Central European Alpine, its paedomorphic extreme, and a rugged slab-faced Borreby-like type; an Eastern Alpine trend (C4: Ithacan and Athenian in Plate XL, d and e) toward a high, sphenoid vault with flat occiput and high-nosed, square-jowled face, and a squate Eastern Alpine tendency (C5: S.E. Messenian in Plate XL, i) toward sphenoid-byrsoid and broad-based vault with short face and puffy nose both have obvious Near Eastern rather than European appearances.
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A somewhat more primitive variety, or subrace, may be distinguished as the Crude Mediterranean type. The bony contours are more rugged and angular, the brow ridges larger, the face shorter and squarer with more protruding cheekbones and jaw angles, the nose broader and lower with slight tendency toward concavity of the bridge, the chin less prominent but squarer and often cleft, beard and body hair somewhat less sparse.



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Finally we have the Atlanto-Mediterranean subrace of this great stock, which is much taller and rather more heavily built. The skeleton is more rugged and the face is especially long, with a heavy bilateral chin. The nose is straight or convex; the cheekbones and jaw angles moderately pronounced. This type is usually very white in skin color and sometimes shows a ruddy tinge. The hair and eyes are dark.
-Earnest Hooton



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The basic differentiation of the White division toward round-headedness, or brachycephaly(relation to breadth of head to length in the living 82 percent or over), is the Alpine race. This type almost certainly developed on the western slopes of the central Asiatic Plateau, probably in the neighborhood of the Hindu Kush and the Pamirs. Its diffusion westward occurred somewhat later than that of the blond, long-headed Nordics. The Alpine race is nearly as brunet in pigmentation as the Mediterranean race, but dark brown hair and light or medium brown eyes are probably commoner. The body build is medium to short, but broad and rotund, with stumpy extremities and long trunk. Hair form is only slightly wavy and often straight, the hair somewhat coarser than in Mediterraneans. Body and beard hair are much more heavily developed than in Mediterranean or Nordic races and comparable with, or superior to, that found in the Iranian Plateau race. The head is globular with a steep occiput; the neck is short and thick. The forehead is broad, high, and often steep; the temples bulging. Brow ridges are moderately to heavily developed. The nose is rather short, broad, and fleshy in the tip and bridge, but of medium height and usually straight. Although the face is wide and the cheeks full, the malars, or cheekbones, do not appear unduley prominent because of the great breadth of the head and an actual lack of size development and jut in the cheekbones themselves. The jaws are square at the hinder angles in the thinner-faced types, but may appear rounded in fat-faced individuals. The chin is well developed, but may be either pointed or bilateral. Lips are moderate in thickness--fuller than those of the Nordic and perhaps a little thinner than those observed in most Mediterraneans. The palate is broad and short. This Alpine race has obvious Aninu affinities, but differs from that race in its round head, in its lesser hirsuteness, and in a greater refinement of facial features associated with broader, squatter body build.

There are other round-headed types which belong to the White division, and especially we may note the brunet, sugar-loaf-headed beaky Armenoids, the tall, long-faced, hook-nosed Dinarics, and the square-headed, ash-blond, saddle-nosed East Baltics. As I consider that all these belong in the category of secondary, or composite, races, or indeed are merely hybrid types, I shall discuss them under the subject of mixtures between allied races.


http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/3805193/1/


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The southern Italians depart from a Mediterranean standard in the development of the pilous system; over 80 per cent have medium to heavy beards, and the body hair is heavier than among any other European group studied.77 The hair is rarely fine, usually coarse to medium in texture, and is curly in 10 per cent of this group, while wavy forms are usual. The forehead is of medium height and slope, as a rule, and the browridges medium; their typical development is Alpine rather than Mediterranean. The eyebrows are usually heavy, in 57 per cent concurrent. The nasion depression is medium to deep, the nasal root of medium height, and frequently broad. The nasal bridge is usually quite high, and broader than among most other Europeans; the profile is variable, with large concave as well as convex categories; several types are present in this respect. The nasal tip is as a rule thicker than the European standard, and the wings as often flaring as compressed. In 35 per cent the tip is depressed. The lips vary considerably in thickness, but more fall into the thick category than in most European groups; well over a third show a visible degree of facial or alveolar prognathism. The chin is frequently prominent, and the gonial angles frequently flaring; prominent malars are much commoner than compressed ones.

The southern Italians, as this survey will indicate, are a distinctive group of people who will not fall into any one recognized racial category. Besides conventional Mediterraneans and Alpines there are two special types which are particularly common, and will be familiar to anyone living in Italian sections of the United States, as well as to anyone who has visited southern Italy. These are: (1) a coarse Mediterranean, short-statured, thick-limbed, mesocephalic, possessing a narrow forehead, wide malars, heavy browridges, a short, broad, straight or lightly concave nose with upturned tip, a strong jaw, and some prognathism; (2) a local approximation to an Armenoid, short-statured, especially thick-set and short-necked, with a flattened occiput, dome-shaped lateral vault profile, heavy browridges, a high-rooted, high-bridged, thick-tipped and depressed-tipped nose, and an especially prominent jaw.

The coarse Mediterranean mesocephal has counterparts in Spain and Portugal, as well as North Africa, and goes back at least to the time of the shell-heap burials of Muge. It seems, however, especially prevalent among South Italians. The local Armenoid may be partly descended from Near Easterners brought to cental and southern Italy in imperial times, but it is more likely that it is to a greater extent a local combination of Alpine with various Mediterranean elements, through the mechanism of differential inheritance.


http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII7.htm

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The head is long and narrow, more than it is currently in the Nordics, but the cephalic index does not reach very low values because of the rounded form of the occiput. The face is also narrow, finely chiseled, of a regular oval shape, often attenuated towards the bottom. The nose is high-rooted and thin, but not taking the extreme forms in this sense which it assumes in the Nordics and Dinarics. The zygomatics are small and receding; the eyelashes are fuller than in other European races, the chin is solid and strong. The secondary sexual characters are very accentuated and develop precociously.
-Egon von Eickstedt on the Mediterranean face

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/blog/archives/000008.html

The heavier faced Nordics are a mix of Mediterranean and Alpine:


Lundman dropped Faelids and re-dubbed them Nordic-Alpines(mostly would comprise of Coon's "Borreby" and "East Baltic" circa TROE)
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Coon dropped his UP's from TROE and used "North Western European" where this type contained an Ainu or Murrayian like Paleanthropic with the Alpine being a mix of Mediterranean, Nordic and Paleanthropic.

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Northwest European--Most of Scandinavia, much of the British Isles, Northern France, the Benelux countries, and northwest Germany is inhabited by a population characterized by medium to tall stature, medium build, brown hair, mixed or blue eyes, light skin, straight to wavy hair of moderate abundance, and facial features intermediate between the fine chiseling of the Nordic or Mediterranean and the broader, fleshier Alpine (Plate 2). As types in this population one finds Nordics, Mediterraneans, and stocky, large-headed, broad-faced, often hairy individuals who may have such paleanthropic characters as large teeth and heavy brow ridges. This third type apparently recapitulates in some degree the pre-agricultural population of this region. Western Irish, Scots, Norwegians from the central coast, Swedes from new Goteberg, and certain other local groups deviate strongly in the direction of this type.





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The northwest European race is also found as the characteristic form of the major breeding unit in the United States and Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and white South Africa. The white American mean falls so close to it that no further designation is needed.





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Although [the Nordic] is common as a type, few populations in Europe or elsewhere can be called Nordic in the strict sense. Most which other authors have called Nordic fall into our Northwest European category.
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Moderate to fairly tall stature and robust framework are characteristic of this face. The head is sometimes frankly dolichocephalic, but more often mesocephalic,( of medium breath in relation to its length) because its breadth has increased, as contrasted with most Mediterranean races, and its length is sometimes slightly diminished. The face is longish, the cheekbones usually flat but sometimes fairly prominent, the nose prevailingly straight, high-bridged, and thin, but occasionally arched. The chin is often heavy and prominent. Subvarieties include a gracile type which is like the Mediterranean except in pigmentation, but larger, with slightly more elongated face and longer, thinner nose. This is the ash-blond, pale blue or gray-eyed, flat-cheeked type with a rather weak and usually pointed chin. A taller, stronger, more ruggedly built variety is the golden-blond, blue-eyed type with heavier brow ridges; more sloping forehead; outstanding cheekbones; square jaws; long, deep, bilateral chin; and prominent, often convex nose. Apart from pigmentation, its morphological similarities to parallel Mediterranean types lie particularly with the Atlanto-Mediterranean subrace, but it also has affinities with the brunet Iranian Plateau race.
-Hooton

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May 22 2012, 08:44 PM
This man is Lebanese descendant and have a long chin, is a CM or Faelid element?

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Boss!!!! you don't think that this is a Long chin? for me is
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May 22 2012, 10:01 PM
Boss!!!! you don't think that this is a Long chin? for me is
I see he has two chins because of his fat, but that's not a big chin at all. Let me explain you what a big chin is:
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Such pointy chins are common among dinarics:
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Big chins are really common in the British Isles. Brent Sexton has a typical blue-collar Englishman look. I think he's predominantly borreby.

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May 22 2012, 09:46 PM
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May 22 2012, 09:44 PM
I guess Albanians from the stereotype.
The first time I have ever heard of it. Albanians have very small chins. In fact I've heard Albanians being called 'pyramid heads', for the most common face shape which is the heart/inverted triangle shaped face. Not sure where you got this.
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Main traits
1. The forehead and cheeks are wider than the jawline. Look for wide-set and well defined “apples” of the cheeks.
2. The jawline is well defined with a petite and angular chin.
http://eyedolatry.blogspot.com/2011/06/choosing-frames-for-heart-shaped-and.html
Dobrusha has a prominent and pointy chin, but she doesn't have a prominent jaw. I don't think the OP meant big chins as in wide and long, just prominent, which is why he later corrects it as "long chin".
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There are asking for chins here. "What race is common a big chin? " But that's Jennifer Love Hewitt. I took her as an example because she can pass as typical Albanian. Also she's the poster girl for heart/inverted triangle shaped face.
Edited by The Boss, May 22 2012, 10:25 PM.
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Some examples of prominent chinned Dinarids (they are generally those with the most prominent chins).

Sali Berisha, pred. Dinarid with Cromagnid influence.
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German Dinarid.
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Some Polish actress.
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^I mistook her (Jennifer Love Hewitt) for Arta Dobroshi. :lol:
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May 22 2012, 08:33 PM
Western Europeans mostly. Africans often have no chins or receding chins. A pointy/pronounced chin is a very western European trait.
Nilotids tend to have strong chins:

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Aethiopids also tend to have strong/protruding chins.


Some Somalis:


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Ethiopians:

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This Bosnian boxer, Marco Huck has a large chin. He looks Dinaric.


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Sorry, I should have said West Africans *not 'Africans' (as a contrast).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ErmfiV6nM[/youtube]
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May 28 2012, 07:13 AM
Sorry, I should have said West Africans *not 'Africans' (as a contrast).


East Asians also tend to have small chins. It's rare to find one with a large/protruding chin.

Most have chins like this:


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From a frontal view, their chins look like they're aligned almost perfectly with their jaws; like totally flat chins:


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It's rare when you find one that has a strong chin like this guy:


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May 22 2012, 08:33 PM
when you say big some people think of width not of length...sort your estimations
I don't see many brunns but they were supposed to have large jaws and chins. Lengthwise long too.
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May 22 2012, 09:41 PM
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You mean brunn right?
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Yao Ming is an Asian with a strong chin and he doesn't have gigantism or any growth disorder

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Most Asians have smaller pointy chins but some do have receding chins as well I guess. I think mostly in weaker featured Chinese people it's most receding. I had a Chinese step mom and she had no chin and huge teeth but my Japanese/Eurasian relatives all had normal sized chins.

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Chinese guy (guy in the back right has a receding chin)
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I think all races can have individuals with strong/positive chins. It's not really a racially exclusive trait, but found in almost all human groups. Just the frequency of the trait is different from place to place.
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People have forgot Kirilenko apparently

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Seriously his chin is big and very pointy.
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