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| Topic Started: May 9 2012, 07:06 AM (736 Views) | |
| humanbeing101 | May 9 2012, 07:06 AM Post #1 |
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Caucasian originated from Caucasus right? So does that mean most Arabs and Indians have origin from Caucasus? Also who were the original Arabs and Indians? Did they look similar to aboriginals and Africans and now they have Caucasoid features because they mixed with Caucasians too much? |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 07:41 AM Post #2 |
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Indians are a mixture between a Caucasian type related to Iranians mixed with a local indigenous Ancestral South Indian substrate (often considered 'Australoid') which is relatively high in them 30-60% depending on ethnic group. Regarding Arabs, they are related to Caucasians as they have origins from the Levant region, where the Neolithic started. Arabids are essentially a more desert adapted variety of Armenoids. However, minor African admixture is present in many Arabs, but it is generally not higher than 10%. Edited by Oxy, May 9 2012, 07:49 AM.
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| Crimson Guard | May 9 2012, 07:43 AM Post #3 |
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Caucasians didnt originate in the Caucasus. Indians are a mix of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Australoid. |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 07:44 AM Post #4 |
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Oh yeah and there is a minor Mongoloid element in the Eastern parts of India.
Edited by Oxy, May 9 2012, 07:50 AM.
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| humanbeing101 | May 9 2012, 08:00 AM Post #5 |
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But why most arabs have big round eyes and so do indians especially the ones in the south like south india and gulf arabs. Is that because of australoid and negroid admixture is high among them? |
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| Crimson Guard | May 9 2012, 08:14 AM Post #6 |
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Indians and Arabs are mainly Caucasoid despite admixture with non Caucasoids. Indians are connected to West Eurasians(which also includes Europeans) but have closer connection to their Caucasoid neighbors, Middle Eastern peoples. Population structure in South Asia (Metspalu et al. 2011) ![]()
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/12/population-structure-in-south-asia.html Afghanistan from a Y-chromosome perspective
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/04/another-look-at-y-chromosomes-of.html Admixture Behar et. tal 2010: ![]() |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 08:14 AM Post #7 |
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Lol, are you Chinese or something? Negroid eyes are usually small or medium sized, not big. So big eyes seems to be an endemic trait of Gulf Arabs (common in Armenoids as well). Also, Negroid admixture is not high in ethnic Arabs, it's usually less than 10%. As for Indians, their eyes aren't that big overall. Edited by Oxy, May 9 2012, 08:18 AM.
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| humanbeing101 | May 9 2012, 12:31 PM Post #8 |
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So lets say an unmixed indian look identical to persians? And also unmixed gulf arab look identical to levant and iraqi arabs? |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 12:41 PM Post #9 |
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Yes and no. Even prior to admixture did they diverge from their ancestral stocks in different phenotypic directions. Arabids are desert adapted Armenoids (so more gracile and tan than them). |
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| Ethbaal | May 9 2012, 01:21 PM Post #10 |
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Populations of the Southern Levant region could be considered as major genetic ancestral component of Arabians.
Study title: Saudi Arabian Y-Chromosome diversity and its relationship with nearby regions. Are you saying that Arabids are desert adapted Armenoids because of the overwhelming J haplogroup within the Arabian population ? I understand that Arabids are physically close and attributed to Mediterranids in general. Edited by Ethbaal, May 9 2012, 01:26 PM.
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| memobekes | May 9 2012, 01:48 PM Post #11 |
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I've invariably wondered about the origins of Caucasians, too. It is sometimes thought that all humans evolved in Africa, hence leading to the "out of Africa" hypothesis that all modern humans derive from one group of Homo sapiens. But that's the problem, it's only a theory. On the other hand, Blumenbach, the influential German scholar, once labeled white people as Caucasians and tried to find a link between their origins with the Caucasus region arguing that the purest white people originated from there. What's your views on this? Do either theories hold much weight in today's scientific arena? |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 02:04 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah, J originated in a proto-Armenoid population. |
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| Ethbaal | May 9 2012, 02:11 PM Post #13 |
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Since when genetics is considered to correlate with phenotype ? |
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| Oxy | May 9 2012, 02:13 PM Post #14 |
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I'm talking about the ancestral population. IJ has origins near Anatolia, while J is from Northern Mesopotamia. |
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