Why do some Iranians look Irish/Ginger?

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Why do some Iranians look Irish/Ginger?
Topic Started: Feb 25 2012, 05:40 AM (5,842 Views)
Haroon	Apr 25 2012, 10:22 PM Post #61
Pirate Monkey Posts: 69 Group: Members Member #3,383 Joined: Apr 13, 2012 Gender: Male Ancestry: East African Religion: Muslim Politics: Far Right	mountaineer Apr 22 2012, 05:16 AM Angrals Apr 20 2012, 09:04 PM This is funny, how did I know it was mountaineer. Red hair amongst Iranic people has nothing to do with Celts. Plus most Red hair you see amongst Perians or Kurds is Dark red or Auburn red, not the "irish ginger". It it probably mutuation since my aunts have that type of hair. Dude, it's not even about the hair colour. This Iranian chick looks more Celtic/Irish than the average Irish/Celt. She looks like an archaic Celt. Not really She just looks like a depigmented Iranian. Anyways these kind of things are just mutations (you can even see it among some east-asians) and they are very rare.



The Boss	Apr 25 2012, 10:24 PM Post #62
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Haroon Apr 25 2012, 10:22 PM Anyways these kind of things are just mutations (you can even see it among some east-asians) and they are very rare. I have a topic about that http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4753817/1/ Edited by The Boss, Apr 25 2012, 10:24 PM.
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dapork	Apr 25 2012, 11:13 PM Post #63
daporkyoupine Posts: 3,082 Group: Members Member #517 Joined: Sep 15, 2009	I wish I could see the first humans with gingerism. Better yet, do we even know if it originated in humans and not earlier? It'd freaky to imagine that all gingers could be descended from one ginger ape. I'm just imagining obviously. Edited by dapork, Apr 25 2012, 11:32 PM.
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Oxy	Apr 26 2012, 12:11 AM Post #64
Senior Member Posts: 979 Group: Members Member #1,109 Joined: Sep 5, 2010	Strongly depigmented phenotypes always existed natively among Middle Easterners, but only in low frequency. However, in Europeans depigmented phenotypes underwent more selection pressure due to the climate and therefore attained much higher frequencies.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 12:18 AM Post #65
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Oxy	Apr 26 2012, 12:19 AM Post #66
Senior Member Posts: 979 Group: Members Member #1,109 Joined: Sep 5, 2010	The Boss Apr 26 2012, 12:18 AM ^ I think it was more sexual selection than climate. Skin tone variation in humans is largely adaptive.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 12:23 AM Post #67
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Oxy Apr 26 2012, 12:19 AM The Boss Apr 26 2012, 12:18 AM ^ I think it was more sexual selection than climate. Skin tone variation in humans is largely adaptive. How do you explain it in Mongoloids? (I'm talking about hair color) EDIT: Djincs mentioned the fish diet for vitamin D, but sexual selection has helped the most. Black hair is very valued among Mongoloids. Edited by The Boss, Apr 26 2012, 12:25 AM.
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Oxy	Apr 26 2012, 12:38 AM Post #68
Senior Member Posts: 979 Group: Members Member #1,109 Joined: Sep 5, 2010	Early Northern Europeans switched from a vitamin-D-laden meat diet to a vitamin-D-deficient grain diet. Unlike other populations, they happened to live too far north for sunlight to synthesize vitamin D with their normal light-brown skin. (Northern Europe is the only place on earth where grains will grow so far north, due to the warm Gulf Stream.) And so they adapted by losing skin pigmentation in order to squeeze every drop of vitamin D out of the dim sub-Arctic light. Populations North and East (Siberians/Mongoloids etc) of this region never lost their pigmentation because they could never switch from meat to grains. Edited by Oxy, Apr 26 2012, 12:41 AM.



The Baron	Apr 26 2012, 12:41 AM Post #69
The Baron Posts: 3,069 Group: Members Member #3,126 Joined: Jan 24, 2012 Gender: Male Religion: Christian Politics: Right	The Boss Apr 26 2012, 12:23 AM Oxy Apr 26 2012, 12:19 AM The Boss Apr 26 2012, 12:18 AM ^ I think it was more sexual selection than climate. Skin tone variation in humans is largely adaptive. How do you explain it in Mongoloids? (I'm talking about hair color) EDIT: Djincs mentioned the fish diet for vitamin D, but sexual selection has helped the most. Black hair is very valued among Mongoloids. Most dismiss it as simply resulting from the Russians. I'm not entirely convinced though, who knows really, maybe its just a genetic mutation.
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The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 12:41 AM Post #70
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	The Baron Apr 26 2012, 12:41 AM The Boss Apr 26 2012, 12:23 AM Oxy Apr 26 2012, 12:19 AM Quoting limited to 3 levels deep How do you explain it in Mongoloids? (I'm talking about hair color) EDIT: Djincs mentioned the fish diet for vitamin D, but sexual selection has helped the most. Black hair is very valued among Mongoloids. Most dismiss it as simply resulting from the Russians. I'm not entirely convinced though, who knows really, maybe its just a genetic mutation. It is just a mutation.
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Robert	Apr 26 2012, 01:01 AM Post #71
Advanced Member Posts: 6,753 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	Iranians have more archaic facial features than NW Euros. 500 years ago Euros had the same features but they've become reduced over time. People's faces have shrunk. That's why the Iranian woman looks like some archaic European. It would be interesting to see some scientific evidence of how this is "just a mutation" though. Instead of some admixture from elsewhere.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 01:03 AM Post #72
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Solitude Apr 26 2012, 01:01 AM Iranians have more archaic facial features than NW Euros. 500 years ago Euros had the same features but they've become reduced over time. People's faces have shrunk. That's why the Iranian woman looks like some archaic European. It would be interesting to see some scientific evidence of how this is "just a mutation" though. Instead of some admixture from elsewhere. There you go http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=780358&t=4753817 It's just a mutation. Also Aborigines for example have not been in contact with Europeans for a long time, yet blondism is very common among children. Edited by The Boss, Apr 26 2012, 01:05 AM.
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Robert	Apr 26 2012, 01:05 AM Post #73
Advanced Member Posts: 6,753 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	Sorry, but that's not science. Those are outdated articles from the 1930s. I'm talking about tracing genetic legacy through DNA and to see if the alleles responsible for red hair in these people are secluded mutations or if they are the result of some admixture. Would be nice to see an article on plosone.org.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 01:05 AM Post #74
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Solitude Apr 26 2012, 01:05 AM Sorry, but that's not science. Those are outdated articles from the 1930s. I'm talking about tracing genetic legacy through DNA and to see if the alleles responsible for red hair in these people are secluded mutations or if they are the result of some admixture. Would be nice to see an article on plosone.org. Aborigines for example genetically are very far from Europeans, yet blondism is and was very common among children. Edited by The Boss, Apr 26 2012, 01:07 AM.
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Robert	Apr 26 2012, 01:07 AM Post #75
Advanced Member Posts: 6,753 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	Yeah, that's true and that comes about through nutritional deficiency so I've heard. Aborigines are such an old race that they have the ability to carry mutations of all races more or less but the same can't be said for newer races.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 01:21 AM Post #76
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Solitude Apr 26 2012, 01:07 AM Yeah, that's true and that comes about through nutritional deficiency so I've heard. Aborigines are such an old race that they have the ability to carry mutations of all races more or less but the same can't be said for newer races. Newer races? They're the farthest genetically from Negroids, what are you talking about? What are these newer races? Also what nutrition deficiency? They're very healthy. Blond hair has arrived from Eurasia, not Nordic countries, it was isolated there at about 3000 BC.
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Robert	Apr 26 2012, 02:28 AM Post #77
Advanced Member Posts: 6,753 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: Apr 7, 2008 Gender: Male Ancestry: European	I meant races which have a propensity towards blondism and newer mutations. I don't know the entire genetics behind Australoids but I assumed they carried the most mutation because they're the most archaic. Everything - reduced from the source. The source material has the potential for newer mutations while people who carry significant mutation already (blondism, blue eyes, white skin etc) can't regress back into any atavistic traits like dark skin etc. There was some speculation that blond hair in Aus aborigines came from nutrient deficiency, but I've researched it, and it it comes about through a recessive mutation and is more frequent in children and women. A paedomorphic trait. I know that nordic countries weren't the first to have blond hair. I just wondered what the genetics were on the blondism in Iranians and if it came about parallel to European blondism or if it was from the same source and wondered if any peer reviewed scientific sources could shed light on that.



The Boss	Apr 26 2012, 02:43 AM Post #78
. Posts: 7,653 Group: Members Member #3,113 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 Gender: Female	Solitude Apr 26 2012, 02:28 AM I meant races which have a propensity towards blondism and newer mutations. I don't know the entire genetics behind Australoids but I assumed they carried the most mutation because they're the most archaic. Everything - reduced from the source. The source material has the potential for newer mutations while people who carry significant mutation already (blondism, blue eyes, white skin etc) can't regress back into any atavistic traits like dark skin etc. There was some speculation that blond hair in Aus aborigines came from nutrient deficiency, but I've researched it, and it it comes about through a recessive mutation and is more frequent in children and women. A paedomorphic trait. I know that nordic countries weren't the first to have blond hair. I just wondered what the genetics were on the blondism in Iranians and if it came about parallel to European blondism or if it was from the same source and wondered if any peer reviewed scientific sources could shed light on that. Blondism first appeared in Eurasia and expanded from there, became more common in Nordic countries, hence why now is (incorrectly) considered a Nordic feature, and whoever has blond hair has Nordic admixture (let me repeat: incorrect). A good explanation for absence of blondism in other 'races' is what Oxy and Djincs explained: diet. And don't forget blondism is very common in children. Blond hair darkens with age, it's a very common phenomenon. Those children don't necessarily have a Nordic admixture. Edited by The Boss, Apr 26 2012, 02:51 AM.
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Angrals	Jun 23 2012, 04:56 PM Post #79
The Children of Māda Posts: 7,984 Group: Members Member #2,187 Joined: Jul 11, 2011 Gender: Male Ancestry: Middle Eastern Politics: Far Right	Regarding the Kurds, I think the reddish strands of hair is due to the Gutians who were supposely red-haired. Though of coruse there is no evidence at this, only in Assyrian texts they are described as such, its down to interpretation I suppose. Red hair on Iranic people or atleast Kurds, the people still look middle-eastern. So I guess it could be related to both ancestry and mutation. To be honest I don't see how they look european, even the Kurdish ginger guy I posted before still has a distinctive Kurdish look. Here is my aunty she also has red hair, but still looks Kurdish, as she is still Iranid(I know quality is bad, I got it from an old video):
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Kingofhearts	Jun 23 2012, 09:51 PM Post #80
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