|Are the Sorbs and Serbs from the same ancient family tree?; Sorbs call themselves Serbja/Serby and aka Lusatian Serbs.|
|Topic Started: Dec 31 2011, 07:45 AM (3,234 Views)|
|zeta||Dec 31 2011, 07:45 AM Post #1|
I believe that they are as do they and other Serbs.
Inhabitants of Bojka or White Serbia (serb. Bela Srbija, an ancient land that existed on the area of nowdays
central and eastern Germany) were the following Serbian tribes:
Bajice, Banjani, Bjelice, Bodrici, (Obodriti), Borusi (Porusi, Prusi or Prussi), Cetinjani, Cuce, Decani,
Durinci, Glavoljani, Glomocani (Glomacani, Glomaci, Talaminzi or Daliminzi),
Havoljani, Koledici, Kricani, Ljesici, Ljubotinjani, Ljubusani, Ljutici (Vilci, Vilte, Wilci, Wilte, Wilzen, or Wiltes), Luzicani,
Milcani (Milzani), Moracani, Mrkovici, Nisani, Nizici, Plavljani, Ploni, Polabci, Redariji (Redarojo), Rinhini, Smoljani,
Sprevljani, Stodorani, Suselci, Ukrani (Ukrajni), Vagri, Varni,
Vasojevici, Zabljani, Zagarcani, etc.
A little background on Sorbs from Wikipedia.
Sorbs (Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby also known as Wends, Lusatian Sorbs or Lusatian Serbs)
are a Western Slavic people of Central Europe living predominantly in Lusatia,
a region on the territory of Germany and Poland.
In Germany they live in the states of Brandenburg and Saxony.
They speak the Sorbian languages (Wendish, Lusatian) - closely related to Polish and Czech -
officially recognized and protected as a minority language of Germany.
They are predominantly Roman Catholics and Lutheran Protestants.
Sorbs are divided into two geographical groups:
Upper Sorbs, who speak Upper Sorbian (about 40,000 people).
Lower Sorbs, who speak Lower Sorbian (about 20,000 people).
The dialects spoken vary in intelligibility in different areas.
Lusatian tribes are noted in the work of the Bavarian Geographer.
The document contains a list of the tribes in Central-Eastern Europe
east of the Elbe and north of the Danube to the Wolga rivers to the Black and Caspian Sea
most of them of Slavic origin.
Among many Slavic tribes Bavarian Geographer (Geographus Bavarus) noted also few Lusatian tribes:
Glomacze - Dolomici
More can be read on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs
I don't agree on what it says about the etymology of the name Sorb nor of Milceni.
That is something new because I remember a few years ago that they never said they were named
after the German river Spree nor the Milceni after soft soil Mel. Anything is possible but it just doesn't make sense considering.
A little bit about its history.
The earliest surviving mention of the tribe was in 631 A.D.,
when Fredegar’s Chronicle described them as "Surbi" and
as under the rule of a Dervan, an ally of Samo. The Annales Regni Francorum state that in 806 A.D.
Sorbian Duke Miliduch fought against the Franks and was killed. In 840, Sorbian Duke Czimislav was killed.
In 932, Henry I conquered Lusatia and Milsko. Gero II, Margrave of the Saxon Ostmark,
reconquered Lusatia the following year and, in 939, treacherously murdered thirty Sorbian princes
during a feast. As a result, there were many Sorbian uprisings against German rule.
A reconstructed castle, at Raddusch in Lower Lusatia, is the sole physical remnant from this early period.
The following statistics indicates the progression of cultural change among Sorbs: by the end of the 19th century, about 150,000 people spoke Sorbian languages.
In 1920 almost all Sorbs mastered Sorbian and German to the same degree. The last Sorb who spoke little or no German
died in Műschen village in 1954. Nowadays, in 2004, the number of people using Sorbian languages has been estimated to be no more than 50,000.
Some of their traditions
Zapust is the most popular tradition of the Sorbs, deeply linked to the working life of the community. Traditionally, festivities would last
one week ahead of the spring sowing of the fields and would feature traditional dress, parade and dancing.
The Pisanici are a Slavic Easter tradition maintained by Sorbs since the 17th century.
On Sundays, during holidays, and at weddings, people wear regional costumes, rich in decoration and embroidery, encrusted with pearls.
Some of the customs and traditions observed include Bird Wedding (25 January), Easter Cavalcade of Riders, Witch Burning (30 April), Maik,
singing on St. Martin's Day (Nicolay), and the celebrations of Saint Barbara’s Day and Saint Nicholas’s Day.
Worn mainly by older but on holidays by young women, regional costumes are colourful, including a large headscarf called "lapa", rich in
golden embroidering and differing from village to village.
In some villages, following traditions are observed: Shrovetide, Maik, Easter bonfires,
Roosters catching/hunting. In Jänschwalde (Sorbian: Janšojcach) so called Janšojki bog (disguised young girl) gives Christmas presents.
Small region where the Sorbs still live in Germany, the area that used to be much larger in the past
The reconstructed Lusatian gord (fortification) of Raduš (Raddusch), near Vetschau in Lower Lusatia
Edited by zeta, Dec 31 2011, 10:28 AM.
This is Dinarid. If they don't look like this, then they ain't Dinarid.|
|Tennessee Honey||Jan 3 2012, 08:00 AM Post #2|
I definitely think there's a connection between you guys, like Croatians probably have a connection to Biale Chrowacy. I wonder if Bojka also gave it's name to Boikos..
|Balky123||Jan 4 2012, 06:05 PM Post #3|
|Slovenians also have to be that close to Slovakians, since they have the exactly the same name for themselves.|
|Gotlander||Oct 3 2014, 01:41 PM Post #4|
Potato face = long face
I'm sure they are different genetically nowadays.
|Serba||Oct 3 2014, 01:45 PM Post #5|
|i belive we are|
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