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The Future evolution of Humans
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What will man evolve into next if we really are evolving? What is after homo sapiens? How will we look? Will we be smarter?
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Read Man After Man by Dougal Dixon (and also his earlier Visions of Man Evolved article) and All Our Tomorrows by Nemo Ramet, though your mileage may vary. ;)

In truth human brain size has been decreasing for tens of thousands of years and the human skeleton has been gracilising for as long, so if Homo sapiens survives you an expect those trends to continue in the future IRL.

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Some people have already had their entire genomes sequenced. Think about what can be done when we manage to do the same in reverse: Flawless DNA assembly from computer files with lots of As, Ts, Cs and Gs. Evolution in humans is mostly a slow process. Genetic engineering is much faster.
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I read humans will loose their sense to smell because they dont use it. They will also have smaller noses and smaller ears and almost no hair.
Edited by DNAhunter, Dec 31 2011, 04:40 PM.
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Incidentally I posted my opinion on this in another thread. just my uneducated impression: I think we'll continue to grow taller, and become more and more dependent on technology. that will cause us to be lanky, physically weak, with long computer fingers... like the aliens the media depicts. this is very very far in the future though. before any changes like this can take place we first have to solve the earth problem. are we gonna preserve it so that we can continue to live here? at some point we'll have to colonize space. too many damn people too.
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People who ask such questions usually know nothing about real evolution. Most likely, some human subracial phenotypes will die out like ainu, siberians, north american amerindians, Tibetans. Because of sexual selection, people will be more beautiful and tall. As intelligence is no advantage anymore but rather a disadvantage, it will stay the same or even go down a little due to extinction of high-iq societies like Japan or Germany. They will, however, not die out genetically but being assimilated into the new reproductively dominant groups from Africa and Mid-East (I am not talking about religion here but only about breeding). The big unknown factors are the Chinese and Indians, two already advanced societies (not in rural areas though) but these inequalities might save them as the rural poor people will atleast multiply enough in India and also China if they remove the idiotic one-child policy. If that happens, they might expand and so the sinoid and indid phenotypes might spread much further.

Basicly, we have a stabilising selection for most features where both more and less of it do not have much advantages reproductively, except for things like height.
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I'd like to think we'll become a smarter more enlightened species, but it's pretty scary to think about some of the more negative paths we could go down, especially concerning intelligence. Right now there are so many problems and obstacles in the way.

But... there's also the issue of being able to eventually possibly "choose" some traits in our offspring by messing with genetics as we gain more control over engineering it. The whole playing God thing is a tricky issue. I've heard the whole thing about people wanting to make their kids blonde and so on. Not sure how real that is. Also, some have said that in the distant future, all races will eventually coalesce into one. But some have more people today, as in Asia, so that might affect things.

I don't know about the loss of hair thing. Maybe that would happen far in the future if evolution would be allowed to continue naturally. I could see people becoming kind of weak physically, but it's not certain. That's only based on the knowledge we have today, supposing we don't find some artificial way to enhance strength by that time. But I feel like we're heading towards a point where we're affecting the course of evolution almost unnaturally. If life is somehow greatly extended in the future, and AI becomes very important, who knows how people will develop in response to their new environments.

Have people truly evolved in the last 50,000 years or so since the capacity for modern intelligence emerged? Real change takes a looong time. The question I wonder about is what people will look like say half a million years or more into the future, supposing they even survive that long or are still on this planet only. Imagine if different species of humans would eventually evolve on different planets colonized by them over millions of years and after long periods of isolation from other branches of humans. Then instead of today's races you'll have planetary races. Sounds crazy.

I think humans as a species need to eventually unite as one if they are going to ever push toward space. They need to get over this whole racial difference thing. Imagine what aliens would say if they were to see us foolishly and near-sightedly squabbling amongst ourselves over what seems to them petty differences while having no idea of the true scope of the universe. How clear would racial differences among people even appear to them, I wonder.
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Taller, skinnier, bigger heads, smaller faces.
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Maybe something like that:
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The famous E.T. is in fact a human from future contacting us,but we think they are just aliens,they are our descendants.
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Jan 31 2012, 08:08 AM
Maybe something like that:
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The famous E.T. is in fact a human from future contacting us,but we think they are just aliens,they are our descendants.
Lol Personally I think were all gonna develop wings and theres gonna be nukes attached to them, yeh no lie I believe that. ;)
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Jan 31 2012, 07:19 AM
I'd like to think we'll become a smarter more enlightened species, but it's pretty scary to think about some of the more negative paths we could go down, especially concerning intelligence. Right now there are so many problems and obstacles in the way.

But... there's also the issue of being able to eventually possibly "choose" some traits in our offspring by messing with genetics as we gain more control over engineering it. The whole playing God thing is a tricky issue. I've heard the whole thing about people wanting to make their kids blonde and so on. Not sure how real that is. Also, some have said that in the distant future, all races will eventually coalesce into one. But some have more people today, as in Asia, so that might affect things.

I don't know about the loss of hair thing. Maybe that would happen far in the future if evolution would be allowed to continue naturally. I could see people becoming kind of weak physically, but it's not certain. That's only based on the knowledge we have today, supposing we don't find some artificial way to enhance strength by that time. But I feel like we're heading towards a point where we're affecting the course of evolution almost unnaturally. If life is somehow greatly extended in the future, and AI becomes very important, who knows how people will develop in response to their new environments.

Have people truly evolved in the last 50,000 years or so since the capacity for modern intelligence emerged? Real change takes a looong time. The question I wonder about is what people will look like say half a million years or more into the future, supposing they even survive that long or are still on this planet only. Imagine if different species of humans would eventually evolve on different planets colonized by them over millions of years and after long periods of isolation from other branches of humans. Then instead of today's races you'll have planetary races. Sounds crazy.

I think humans as a species need to eventually unite as one if they are going to ever push toward space. They need to get over this whole racial difference thing. Imagine what aliens would say if they were to see us foolishly and near-sightedly squabbling amongst ourselves over what seems to them petty differences while having no idea of the true scope of the universe. How clear would racial differences among people even appear to them, I wonder.
I would like to think so.

I understand that advanced societies have overcome the barrier of natural selection. Now is the time of artificial selection. They need to close or control the doors of immigration, increase the fertility of its natives, not to 3 children per woman, but a stable fertility rate from 1.9 to 2 children.
Eugenics seems to be the only way to keep human evolution. I see that the opposite is happening, the less able to reproduce much more than the fittest.
The future of humanity will be bleak unless we start to control the controllable, because if we no do, we must pray for an evolutionary leap or forget that society highly evolved than we imagine.
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your mileage may vary. ;)


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your mileage may vary. ;)


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I read it, but I'm not sad enough to contribute lol! I've seen pages about Dixon's books on TV Tropes, actually.
Edited by faintsmile1992, Feb 1 2012, 05:10 AM.
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Dec 31 2011, 04:40 PM
I read humans will loose their sense to smell because they dont use it. They will also have smaller noses and smaller ears and almost no hair.
Hmm, kind of like Alien Grays...
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Jan 31 2012, 08:08 AM
Maybe something like that:
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The famous E.T. is in fact a human from future contacting us,but we think they are just aliens,they are our descendants.
You mean we'll look like white Somalis? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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More like a white Somali-Bee mix.
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I don't think there is anything as such as a future evolution of humans. As Northerner already pointed out, the development of genetic engineering is much faster! Actually, already by now we would be able to modify human DNA on a much larger scale, but it's ethics and moral that keeps us from doing so. IMO it has a lot to do with the mental borders within our heads, but I'm sure very slowly and step by step these borders will dissolve.
Same applies for body spare parts and artificial body parts in general. Heart and brain pacemakers, prosthesis of all sorts and artificial lenses are just some examples to begin with. And it's probably just a matter of time until it will become fashionable to modify parts of the body just for luxury. To be precise, it has already started! All sorts of tattoos or piercings could already be regarded as a beginning, and even though it hasn't been already fully accepted by society, the number of breast enlagements and botox injections is increasing.

In the end it might be a run between software (genetics) and hardware (spare parts) modification of human beings or a combination of both. Even if it takes up to 300 or more years until we fully get there, it is nothing compared to evolution! We might slowly transform into robots some day...
At least until we think about leaving planet earth and colonizing space, than it will show who is in advantage in space, more resistant against extreme temperatures, radiation, pressure or even acid: human or robot? Nevertheless, it might be the seed which spreads life to other solar systems!
Edited by Keksalarm, Feb 14 2012, 07:35 PM.
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You assume that science will actually progress but what if, after the western world, also China will collapse due to the same reasons? But probably until that happens East Asians will already have invented powerful robots to fight off uncivilised peoples :D
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That's not going to happen! From my point of view this scientific and technological progress is irreversible, it will only stop if also mankind ceases to exist. Even if the West plus China collapses, that of course will cause a huge setback and slowdown to the whole process. But as long as not ALL information is destroyed and nobody can ever recall it (which seems very unlikely to me in nowadays world), the process will continue!
Perhaps you have read "Die Physiker" by Dürrenmatt -one of the best books I have read ever- which points out that "one idea once brought into mind, can not be taken back".
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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I think the robots will become major factor ass well and not because of the movies, but because of this
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