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European phenotypes
Topic Started: Oct 19 2011, 03:17 PM (2,150 Views)
Fray
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Good morning..
This is my first thread and I hope I'm not writing in a wrong section.
I'm very ignorant about the subject you discuss here, and I would like some explanations.
How many phenotypes do exist in europe?do they have a scientific base?
I have a big confusion in my head.
Someone says there are alpine,nordic,dinarid,mediterranean,baltic.
Some other talk about paleoeuropean and indoeuropean.
Some other says that european are a mix of red nordic, white nordic and armenid, with a little congid and mongolic influence.
Can someone explain me better please?
But I would like to here only something seriuos, with a solid scientific base.
Thank you and sorry for my english.
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No one can help me? :)
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To get a sense of the different Caucasoid subracial types and how they're distributed, you can start by looking through these photographic plates:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troephotos.htm

Then you might want to read the book they came from, which is a seminal work in physical anthropology:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/racesofeurope.htm
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I know Coon, but there are also many other theories

For example what do you think about this

http://europa-soberana.blogia.com/2011/101201-the-new-racial-classification-i-.php

Edited by Fray, Oct 20 2011, 10:08 PM.
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That is junk. There is plenty of legit information in both the Plate Gallery and Physical Anthropology sections.
Edited by Crimson Guard, Oct 21 2011, 02:00 PM.
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Yes but that book war written in 1939.
Can I find something more recent?
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J. Lawrence Angel wrote in the 70s:

http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/angeltypes/
http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/greekmorphological/

So did John R. Baker:

http://books.google.com/books?id=PD-BAAAAMAAJ
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thank you
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Fray
Oct 20 2011, 10:06 PM
I know Coon, but there are also many other theories

For example what do you think about this

http://europa-soberana.blogia.com/2011/101201-the-new-racial-classification-i-.php

Man this is junk!Try Coon, this what you posted is written by ugly Swedish or Norwegian virgin fulled with self hatred!Cheers! :)
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ahahahah...
Ok..because I can't understand why when someone ask to classify a phenotype,there are so different opinion..someone say meditteranean, some other nordic, other alpine, other atlanto mediterranean..
It seems to me only superstition.
Not to mention when the question is "is he white or not?"..
In that case there is total war :lol:
If racial classification is so scientific and evident, there wouldn't be so many doubts, I think..
Even Coon classifies as meditterranean some people from north africa that seem to me not white at all..
And then classifies as "nordic" people that in other picture seem "dinarid"
Edited by Fray, Oct 22 2011, 11:06 AM.
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Classifications are based on detailed craniofacial measurements, so it isn't always possible to be accurate when just looking at photos of people, especially if they're poor quality or don't show all angles. Also, racial types belonging to the same broad categories have similar features (e.g. Nordics and Mediterraneans or Dinarics and Armenoids), and people are often mixes of different types. All of this makes accurate classification even more difficult.
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http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/angeltypes/

Type Muscularity Vault Form Angularity Occiput
A Basic White Rugged Linear,Long Strong Prominent

Forehead Face, outline Jaws Nose Orbits
Rel. Wide Low, Square Long, mouth deep Med. thick Low rect.




So Angel defines these "Caucasoid typologies" using only 9 variables and inexact 'rounded off' measurements.
Edited by Arch Hades, Oct 23 2011, 04:20 AM.
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