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| Euskal kubatarrak | May 10 2011, 01:17 PM Post #61 |
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Yet the extended mandible is far more common in Caucasoids and Mongoloids than in Negroids. You seem to have a hard time grasping the concept that not all types of prognathism indicate nonEuropean admixture. There is difference between this:  And this:  In fact ever heard of this: Pathologic mandibular prognathism is a potentially disfiguring, genetic disorder where the lower jaw outgrows the upper, resulting in an extended chin. The condition is colloquially known as Habsburg jaw, Habsburg lip or Austrian Lip (see House of Habsburg) due to its prevalence in that bloodline.[4] The trait is easily traceable in portraits of Habsburg family members.[5] This has provided tools for people interested in studying genetics and pedigree analysis. Most instances are considered polygenetic.
You should really inform yourself before speaking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Leno So as you can see he has neither native blood nor does he have any East European/Baltic conection, so your assumptions fail yet again. |
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| .lin | May 10 2011, 01:18 PM Post #62 |
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Your claims are not supported by the sources you quote - I don't seem to be able to see where it says that prognathism is not a European trait. Furthermore, Crimson has actually provided quotes which refute your claim about prognathism being specifically "a "Negrid" specialisation". FYI, Sami people are predominantly European.
Even if he had some non-european ancestors, that would be quite irrelevant because it just so happens that his type of prognathism - that is Mandibular/Concave - peaks precisely in European population:
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| Mirror | May 10 2011, 01:29 PM Post #63 |
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he doesnt look european at all, if you do he vs eva longoria, eva longoria would look more euro than him and eva is just 70% or 75% white. he must be then maybe 60% white, 30% amerindian, 10% black???? ps: eva is extremly pretty! ps2: l think j-lo is also pretty. Edited by Mirror, May 10 2011, 01:30 PM.
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The top 5 admixtures of MDLP World-22 West Asian : 34% Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic : 22.74% Near_East : 18.71% North-East-European : 10.40% East-Siberian : 3.19% Top 5 admixtures of Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Anatolian Farmer : 41.22% Mediterranean Farmer : 20.88% Middle Eastern Herder : 15.82% Baltic Hunter Gatherer : 8.83% East Asian Farmer : 5.47 % | |
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| zeta | May 11 2011, 03:28 AM Post #64 |
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He does not have facial prognathism. Just his jaw is long and that is found amongst a lot of Scottish type of people and in other Europeans too. He does not have anything non-European in him.   
Edited by zeta, May 11 2011, 03:31 AM.
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This is Dinarid. If they don't look like this, then they ain't Dinarid.
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| .lin | May 11 2011, 11:08 AM Post #65 |
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You already said that, in your opinion, the term prognathism should be made to mean something different than it was originally supposed to mean and what it still means. But until you have embarked upon a worldwide campaign to make this happen, Jay Leno DOES have facial prognathism. Denying it after I have posted all those sources confirming it, is plain daft. C'mon, zeta, you're better than that, aren't you? The fact that mandibular prognathism is perfectly within the European variation does not change the fact that it is prognathism. Longer than normal lower jaw is precisely what means mandibular prognathism:
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| Crimson Guard | May 14 2011, 05:27 AM Post #66 |
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Man stop making up nonsense, and the Irish have a noted degree of Prognathism and they are neither partly Negroid nor partly Mongoloid: [blockquote]The nasal wings are almost uniformly medium in lateral extension; compressed and flaring forms are about equal in number and together form but 10 per cent of the whole. The distribution of these is of no importance, except that the most compressed are found in the Aran Isles. The lips are as a rule of moderate thickness and eversion; very thin, straight or convex lips are not uncommon, particularly in the south; while very thick or very everted lips are not found anywhere. The lips and the whole mouth region are sometimes, however, thrown into prominence by the presence of facial prognathism; this occurs in 8 per cent of the whole, while purely alveolar prognathism is found in but 2 per cent. There is a strong regional differentiation in both kinds of prognathism, however; the center of concentration is in the eastern counties, from Armagh to Waterford; facial prognathism reaches its maximum of 24 per cent in Wicklow and Carlow. It is interesting to note that the counties which show the maximum of Upper Palaeolithic features are the least prognathous of all, and that the Protestants show it more frequently, to a slight degree, than do the Catholics.[/blockquote] [blockquote]It is impossible at present to define with equal clarity the two minor types; the Atlanto-Mediterranean element, if it were brown eyed and black haired, has completely lost its original pigment qualities through mixture. Yet "Mediterranean" types can be isolated in Ireland, and one may perhaps ascribe to them the occurrance of prognathism and some of the curly hair.[/blockquote] As I said before, its also considered a primitive trait(supposed possibly carried over from Neanderthal):        -The human lineage By Matt Cartmill, Fred H. Smith |
     
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