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Examples of Northern Poles; People from northern Poland
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Since the looks of northern Poles are discussed frequently on anthroboards I thought I would post a few (or a lot -- if I'm spamming admins please tell me) examples of people from the area. the first bunch are students that I found from the town of Rypin in the northeastern part of the Kuyavian Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland. I know the photo quality isn't the best but that's what you get in Poland =p. hopefully it gives some idea at least. the surnames are in the url link and I'll post two sets of these students just because I'm rushing so I'll continue a bit later with the second.



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that's it for now with these -- hopefully the quantity isn't too much -- Crimson ??
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Great thread agnik, well done. Surprised to see that the Poles are also more than capable of producing "Near Eastern" types.
Many thanks...
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that's it for now with these -- hopefully the quantity isn't too much -- Crimson ??


Yeah, no sweat, the quality is fine, you can upload all you want.

*You can upload as many images the 1 post can take which is like 40 or 50 from what I recall off hand as there is a built in limit which kinda sucks imo-- but otherwise (as long as nobody posts directly after you) there is an automatic post merger which combines your posts together.
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Apr 28 2011, 11:17 PM
Great thread agnik, well done. Surprised to see that the Poles are also more than capable of producing "Near Eastern" types.
Many thanks...
Stop trolling. You know damn well that Middle-easterners don't have the face morphology like the darker Poles do. The darker Poles are pigmented cro-magnids, all posess a massive robust jaw un-like the eastern Alpinids of the M-E. Only to someones wishful imagination do these Poles look "near-eastern".
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You're trolling too Rayder. Alpines, even "Middle Eastern Alpines" are "Cromagnids" as well.
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A couple of them look like Tatars.

Besides, these pictures prove that this map is not accurate. Poles are darker than the map shows.

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Hmmm, ummm, interesting looking people...
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You're trolling too Rayder. Alpines, even "Middle Eastern Alpines" are "Cromagnids" as well.
Well all humans are Cro-magnons, but I'm emphasizing on the Cro-Magnid (Faelid/Dalofaelid) sub-race and how it's the complete opposite of Alpinid.

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Alpinids are round faced, CM's are square faced.
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Apr 28 2011, 11:49 PM


Besides, these pictures prove that this map is not accurate. Poles are darker than the map show
Considering that Poland is neighbouring the blondest countries of the world this map makes sense.
I don't know what to say about the pictures.Seeing pictures of crowds instead of individuals might give a better idea of how Northern Poles look like.
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Rayder, I dont see what a Norwegian has to do with Poles. Also that plate was listed as a "dark type" here 'Racial types of Southern Norway":


http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=131133


He is likely a northern Atlanto-Mediterranean/North-Western type. See here:

The "Atlantic Race" from Robert Gayre

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/3336003/1/#new



Physical Anthropology of Poland circa 1930's makes no mention of "Dalo-Faelids"wandering about Poland, but there is mention of Alpines:

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[blockquote]"Our population is characterized by this, that it constitutes the mixture of 4 different anthropological elements. The nordic and laponoidal elements constitute its basic components, and each of them has its relative preponderance in individual districts. The mediterranean and the armenoidal elements are the supplementing components provided...."[/blockquote]
-Czekanowski

Coon criticizes Czekanowki thoigh since he like the Germans failed to separate the Lapps from the Alpines:

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[blockquote]"Czekanowski defines his Lapponoid in such a way as to include the Alpine of Ripley, as well as the Lapps proper. [...] But his scheme is manifestly too pat, too regular, and too mathematical, to agree fully with nature, and, furthermore, it disagrees in many respects with the findings of the historical discipline."[/blockquote]


http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/08-06.htm



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[blockquote]"It should be stated at the start that Czekanowski's ß [beta] or pre-Slavic type is to be identified with our Neo-Danubian. Czekanowski correctly considers this to be the basic racial element in Poland...."
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http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-09.htm



http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/a-02.htm

[blockquote]The mean head lengths of Poles are about 186 mm., and do not attain or surpass 190 mm. regionally except in selected upper class series;91 the inhabitants of the northern and western districts of Poland are absolutely longer headed than those of the south and east. The breadth means range from 154 to 157 mm., with a national mean of about 155.5 mm.; the broadest are in the south, especially in Galicia. The head size of the Poles, as of the Ukrainians and White Russians, is too small to be derived in any considerable measure from an unreduced Brunn or Borreby source; it is also too small for living Nordic populations, and is about equal to that of the Danubian agriculturalists, and of the Alpines and Dinarics. It is at the same time comparable to that of non-Baltic Finns, and of most Lithuanians.

The facial breadths, minimum frontal, bizygomatic, and bigonial, are approximately 108 mm., 143 mm., and 110 mm.; too wide for Nordics or for pure Danubian survivors, and necessitating Alpine, Dinaric, or Ladogan influences, or all three. The menton-nasion face height, with means as low as 118-120 mm. in central and eastern Poland, rises to the full Dinaric height of 127 mm. in Galicia and Ruthenia. Except for these mountainous southern regions, the facial index is uniformly eury- to mesoprosopic. The noses are leptorrhine in most of Poland but approach mesorrhiny in the south and east; there is a progression from means of about 63 in the Polish Corridor and Poznan to 68-70 on the opposite side of the country.

There is abundant evidence to show that all but the southern section of Poland, along the Carpathian foothills, falls within the blondest pigment area of Europe.92 The skin is almost uniformly light, except in the south; the commonest hair colors are medium to dark brown, and a dark ash-blond. The incidence of truly fair hair is as great here as in Scandinavia, while the eyes are predominantly light-mixed, with gray shades commoit Brown eyes seldom exceed 10 per cent except in the very southern mountain sections. With these same exceptions, Poland is too blond a country for Alpines or Dinarics to be present in any numbers. The pigmentation of the population, by and large, is Nordic in shades and in intensity; the virtual absence of rufosity argues against the presence of many Palaeolithic survivors of the types found in western Europe.

Although complete sets of morphological observations on Poles are not common, there is an abundance of data on the form of the nose; the profile is most commonly straight, with a large concave minority, and few in the convex category. The nasal root is usually medium in breadth, the wings medium or slightly flaring; the tip is either horizontal or inclined upward, and, in a large minority of cases, snubbed in a manner highly suggestive of Lapps and eastern Finns. Beard and body hair growth are often on the light side of the European norm, which fact again precludes a strong Alpine increment.

The facial features which typify the Polish peasantry are quite different, as a rule, from those found among the nobility and the upper classes in general. The noblemen have less blond and less really dark hair; fewer dark eyes, and fewer instances of brunet skin color, than the peasants; their noses, however, present their greatest distinction; these are not only longer and narrower, but also frequently convex in profile, with concave forms reduced to a minimum. Old Corded and Nordic tendencies segregate themselves, at least in stature, bodily build, pigmentation, and facial features, in this superordinate class, as do Danubian and Ladogan tendencies among the peasantry.

Contemporary Polish anthropologists have studied the population of their country by dividing it into types, and plotting the proportions of these types by regions.93 These types include what would in our present terminology be Nordic, Neo-Danubian, Lappish, Ladogan, Alpine, and Dinaric, as well as Armenoid, and both tall and short Mediterraneans. The last three, however, are admittedly much in the minority, if they are present at all. The Nordic element is strongest in the Polish Corridor, where East Baltic factors, unusual in Poland in our definition of the term,94 are also found.95 The Nordic element is also strongest on the German border, and elsewhere it is concentrated along main water courses, the highroads of migration in pre-Slavic Gothic times, as well as later. Its identity with a social and economic upper level, however, is probably stronger than its geographical differentiation. The Neo-Danubian element, which has probably gained in stature through its Nordic interlude, is as blond as the Nordic, on the whole, and this fact leads one to the conclusion that the pre-Corded peasants of eastern Europe, as of the Danube Valley, were already partly blond. The combination of ash-blond hair with gray-mixed eyes seems to be a Neo-Danubian specialty.

Members of the early forest types with their incipiently mongoloid facial features have seeped in everywhere north of the Carpathians, but more in the east than in the west. They too were probably partly blond from the beginning, but not as blond as the Danubians with whom they have become thoroughly blended. Dinarics, commonest in the Carpathians, are found in solution throughout Poland, and the same is true of the Alpines. The rare brunet Mediterraneans noted by the Polish authors are probably related to the commoner brunet long heads of southern Russia, of Bulgaria, and of the Caucasus, with whom we shall deal later.
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http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-09.htm

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[blockquote]DANUBIAN. The small mesorrhine or chamaerrhine Mediterranean racial type which introduced Neolithic food production into central Europe. See p.. 85.
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[blockquote]PONTIC. A variety of Mediterranean or Atlanto-Mediterranean, so named by Bunak. It is concentrated in Bulgaria and in the Rumanian lowlands: it also is found in the Caucasus and Ukraine and westward sporadically as far as Germany, Poland, and Lithuania.[/blockquote]


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[blockquote]LAPPONOID. Czekanowskj’s name for the Alpine race.[/blockquote]


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[blockquote](4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States.

(5) Lappish: A stunted, highly brachycephalized, largely brunet relative of the Ladogan, originally living to the east of the Ladogan type area, in the Urals and western Siberia. Has probably assimilated some evolved mongoloid, but owes its partly mongoloid appearance more to the retention of an early intermediate evolutionary condition. In modern times much mixed with Ladogan and Nordic.[/blockquote]



http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=131133



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[blockquote]The term Neo-Danubian has been used in this work to designate a general class of central and eastern European blond or partially blond brachycephals who seem to be derived in a racial sense from a de-Corded Nordic (and hence Danubian) prototype brachycephalized by Ladogan admixture. This type is very prevalent among modern Slavs of Poland and Russia, and also among some eastern Germans and Austrians.[/blockquote]


http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/a-02.htm



Gunther used Von Hindenburg as an example of Dalo-faelid, he was classified as a East Baltic by Coon:

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East-Baltics:
http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/p-07.htm

Gunther's "West Phalian":

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/3143694/1/#new




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[blockquote]According to von Eickstedt, the races which come under his classification entered Europe in post-glacial times. First came the Mediterraneans, during the Mesolithic; then the Alpines, who approached the Swiss lake dwellings from the east, but still in Mesolithic times; the Dinarics go back only to the Bronze Age. The Alpines were a forest people, and spread out into the forests of northern Europe as well as of those which covered the mountains in the center. An extra-primitive proto-Alpine type went to Denmark to associate itself with the Maglemose culture. Then the Nordics broke through along the newly-formed northern steppes, and entered Scandinavia over Denmark, passing into Norway by two routes: around by Oslo; and through the gap between the two melting nuclei of the glacier, into Trondelagen. Earlier brachycephals are found at the termini of these routes.

According to his system the Lapps are Alpines isolated in the north; they are the purest Alpines of all and are not mongoloid. The Nordics are divided into three sub-divisions: Teuto-Nordic, the original and basic form; the Dalo-Nordic, which is the same plus Crô-Magnon mixture; and a Fenno-Nordic, reddish haired and water-blue eyed, which is the easternmost, largely Asiatic branch, now found only in solution. The Osteuropids are a separate race, a Nordic-Mongoloid transitional form, dating from the time of differentiation between these two stocks; and not a Nordic Mongoloid mixture, since its superior blondism and possession of distinctive traits make its mixed derivation impossible. This race developed in the swamps and forests of the Obi drainage, and entered Europe only in modern times; its penetration of eastern and central Europe is a recent phenomenon.[/blockquote][/bquote]


http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/08-06.htm

Racial Types of Poland; by Jan Czekanowski

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1658204/1/



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Alpinids are round faced, CM's are square faced.


Alpines are either square or round faced.

Earnest Hooton on the Alpine:

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* Face form: usually relatively broad and short-round or square (with prominent gonial angles).
* Stature: medium to short; average about 166 cm.
* Body build: thickset: short, thick neck; broad shoulders; deep chest; stubby extremities.

Distribution. Concentrated in the central zone of Europe from France to the Urals; also southern Norway, Denmark, northern Italy, Balkans, and, sporadically in Near East; rare in northwest Africa.[/blockquote]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/3847932/1/

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Coon on the Alpine:

[blockquote]The Alpine race is a reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivor; Alpines are as a rule of but medium stature, and lateral in bodily build; their heads of moderate size and globular; their faces characteristically round and their facial features slightly infantile. Their pigmentation ranges from blond to brunet, but is usually intermediate. The Alpines represent a reëmergence of a brachycephalized and partially foetalized Palaeolithic survival in the central highland and forest zone of Europe and Asia, all the way from the Pyrenees to the Pamirs. Alpines are at the root of all or nearly all the brachycephalic racial types throughout this entire expanse of territory. The Alpine territorial distribution is not the result of an invasion or expansion, but of a parallel set of emergences. In Europe, southern Germany is the seat of one of the greatest Alpine concentrations in the continent. The best place in the world to find Alpines is in a Bavarian restaurant; that is where all four individuals on this plate were photographed and measured. [/blockquote]


Coon on the Asiatic-Alpine:

[blockquote]The Alpine race is as important in the mountain zone from Syria to the Pamirs as it is in the corresponding portion of Europe. Both anthropometrically and morphologically, the European and Asiatic Alpines are essentially identical. Furthermore, when not too strongly altered by mixture with other stocks, the Asiatic Alpines tend to an intermediate pigment condition comparable to that of their European counterparts. [/blockquote]


http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/troephotos.htm


Lawrence Angel on the Alpines:

[blockquote]Alpines (Type C: Plate XL, a-e, and i) have shortened and laterally bulging heads, with weakly curved occiputs equipped with strong torus for neck muscles, broad and full foreheads (narrow relative to bulging parietals) and a short ovoid to sphenoid or spheroid outline in norma verticalis. Their heads as a whole range from “square” to globular. The Alpine face is low and orthognathous with square to hexagonal outline rounded at the angles. Non-retreating cheekbones, and dominantly short, low-rooted, non-salient and concave nose combine to give the face a certain flatness, emphasized further by alveolar retraction with short and low palate, and by a prominent chin linked with an edge bite and much worn and somewhat poor teeth. Alpines were notably short and probably stocky, and dominantly brunet. They resemble significantly both recent Carinthian villagers and medieval citizens of Hythe in Kent, with good approximations to Foothill Bavarians and to Bronze Age Eastern Cypriotes. This suggestion of divided resemblance is confirmed fully by Type C's slightly elevated variability. And various divergent tendencies are appreciable: C1, C2, and C3 (Maniote, E. Thracian, and Athenian in Plate XL, a, b, and c) tend respectively toward the globular Central European Alpine, its paedomorphic extreme, and a rugged slab-faced Borreby-like type; an Eastern Alpine trend (C4: Ithacan and Athenian in Plate XL, d and e) toward a high, sphenoid vault with flat occiput and high-nosed, square-jowled face, and a squate Eastern Alpine tendency (C5: S.E. Messenian in Plate XL, i) toward sphenoid-byrsoid and broad-based vault with short face and puffy nose both have obvious Near Eastern rather than European appearances[/blockquote]

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Not news, poles are darker than most people have expected.

The map of TROE is a complete joke.
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Physical Anthropology of Poland circa 1930's makes no mention of "Dalo-Faelids"wandering about Poland, but there is mention of Alpines:

All anthropologists had their own individual opinions and some didn't agree with eachother. I'm glad we are slowly transitioning from anthropology to genetics since that will probably make things clearer.

I've seen enough Poles to know that they have the biggest & broadest jaws of all Europeans. This is called CM (Cro-Magnid) I believe.

Whoever is responsible for labeling those "Alpinids" you posted is a complete moron. Those aren't Alpines but Taurids, Armenids, Mediterranids & Dinarids. This is a real Alpinid.

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this area and a little further into the northeast has the most significant baltid composition in all of Poland -- so many of these people are part baltid -- also many are a blend of alpinid/baltid -- few who are just predominately alpinid from what I can tell. don't baltids have large jaws ?? to be honest I've always thought the faelid type was more common in Czechs and Slovaks than Poles. but anyways the strongest "morphotypes" seem to be blends of baltid, pontid, alpinid, and nordid here (like in most of Poland just to different degrees). a few people have something uralic about them -- the chances of anyone being Tatar are very slim because it's a very rural area and Tatars mostly live further east when they move outside of that area it's to urban centers.

I found some better pictures of students from the same town and some house-league teams at the end. after this post I'm done with this general area and will try to post more public scenes.

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last set for today -- moving on from that town. the next set of pictures is of people known as Kurpie in Poland -- these are the natives of the former Eastern Prussian lands -- basically they along with Kaszubs represent the most northern part of Poland northern before any of the resettlement occured.

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Las time I remembered your picture, you are not really representative of Pole because you are much darker and more Middle Eastern looking. Honestly, you looks even more Gypsy than Inquring Mind. :lol:
I lied about my origin because I dont know what my father ancestry is but when found out thet he was apparently Pole. So, I'm basically pure Pole. And ciacho, stop trying telling me that i dont know anything about Polish racial make up because I have live in Poland quite a lot because in my experience, I know their racial makeup. :nuts:
Ciacho, it's obvious you have something against light Poles and try to exoticify and darkify Poles. ;)
Ciacho, I think we should get a marry like Kate and prince William. :love:
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Aren't we just a perfect couple after all, eh ? :cool:

@Debian
Your map is also false. German aren't ligher than Poles. We might be dark hair more than them but we def have lighter eye than them.

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What's up, Bro ? You shouldn't be on this forum, anyway. Go back to theapricity, nigger. :biggrin:

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You are even worse than a little kid at classification. tho. :lol:


Poland basic type : West Baltid, North Pontid/Pontid, East Nordid, Baltid, Norid. Pure Dinarid are rare among Poles because they are visible mixed, tho.

Predomaintly West Baltid rapper group called Trzeci Wymiar (some of them might have slightly Norid and Baltid influence)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpT5val_z8&feature=related[/youtube]

Dont you know there are a lot of West Baltid among Poles, ciacho ? It's quite common among Polish kid.


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They look pretty dark. I think Poles cannot be included in the "northern" category because they do not even have single regions that are pred. light-pigmented. For example Germany has the North, pretty light, the Center is still somehwhat light and even in the South you cannot really say that swarthy people form the majority.
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Apr 29 2011, 10:33 AM



PEACE Y'ALL
you have a lot of issues :yawn: . anyways, why is it that at least 4 Poles or people living in Poland have the same opinion as me, except for Polako but even you said int he past that he's delusional, and the same ones that do have reprimanded you on more than one occasion? (Mirek, Dimitir the Ukrainian who lives in Poland, Costeño, and Tomek -- I forget his username but he's at FBD). mauricio even said that you have some weird obsession with presenting Poles as Baltids, probably because of how your family looks, which I'm assuming is your main experience with Poles. look at the pictures you post in gallerys I noticed you got a lot of those from other sites but you choose the lighter or more baltid looking people and leave out darker and other types that are representative of Poland -- why is that ?? it seems you have issues with pigment which is kind of sad since you aren't the lightest person around :| . I'm not going to argue with you, you're free to post pictures here of northern Poles -- it's a public forum -- but tell me what am I doing wrong when I'm posting pictures of people from schools for example, their surnames are in the url links just search them and see for yourself.
here go through this site and see for yourself that I'm not presenting anyone other than how they are: http://zs2rypin.pl/

I would appreciate if you wouldn't spread false rumors about me and get your story straight, you're either half welsh or a quarter or not at all :shakehead:. and I don't think it's right to comment on things you don't know an example of this being Ukrainians since you even told me you've met one Ukrainian in your life -- lol -- so now you're an expert on them :| ??

that's all for now. have a good day :) .

by the way; Inquiring Mind just messaged me and told me to tell you that I look nothing like a Gypsy. and he's seen me because he added me on facebook =p .
Edited by Tennessee Honey, Apr 30 2011, 12:30 AM.
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Your attachments are very insightful - you must have spent a lot of time putting these photos together. So I congratulate you once more. Just to say, your country is also home to some of the most gorgeous women on earth, as seen in the photos.
Who knows, perhaps one day I may even share a bedroom with a Polish woman...
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Apr 30 2011, 12:33 AM
@agnik
Your attachments are very insightful - you must have spent a lot of time putting these photos together. So I congratulate you once more. Just to say, your country is also home to some of the most gorgeous women on earth, as seen in the photos.
Who knows, perhaps one day I may even share a bedroom with a Polish woman...
thanks Memo. I finished my university classes so for now I have a lot of time on my hands lol =p. although some of these pictures I got from other forums so it's better to thank those people. and you really think so ?? in my opinion, especially the north east has the least attractive people in the country, the central and south of the country are where I think people tend to be more attractive on average, but maybe I'm bias since I'm from the south. and haha, I wish you good luck with that ;).
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