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Rebirth of the Neanderthal- Should We Clone?
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Robert
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Andre the Giant was apparently pretty stupid by all accounts. He drank 20 beers a day or more.

Don't think they looked like him.

They were probably smarter than him.


Still think it would be cruel to clone them.
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Andre the Giant(of Bulgarian and Polish ancestry) had an illness( acromegaly )and eating/drinking problem which didnt help matters.

He looked rather normal when he was very young and his face was not that disformed from:

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Feb 28 2012, 02:07 AM
They would have higher understanding and comprehension though and their whole existence would be questioned. Just some freaks on display. Not sure but I don't think they would be happy about it. Maybe if they were treated as dwarfs were treated in ancient Egypt (given noble status) otherwise if they are just some experiment or institutionalized etc then it's very cruel life to give them.
I don't think a neanderthal person would look overly strange in New York for example. Because there are many strange looking people. The biggest problem for a neanderthal would be speaking. Due to their vocal chords they cannot pronounce long vowels. Teaching him sign language could also help. Maybe modern medicine could even change that problem and one thing modern surgery can already last is making such a person look less like it was born. Plastic surgery. When it can make Koreans look less Asian it can also help Neanderthals.
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With quantal vowel production, I was reading Dan Lieberman's Evolution of the Human Head and its discussion of it, in the context of modern humans and Neanderthals and erectus (see page 322 onwards and page 587 onwards).

It seems like the its consensus on archaic vocal tracts is that their proportion, which is what is affecting their quantal vowel production, is perhaps comparable to a "4–6-year-old modern human’s" (the vocal tract does not "reach the adult proportion of 1:1 until age 6–8") and that "does not rule out the possibility that archaic Homo could speak or had sophisticated language, but it does suggest slightly less articulate (quantal) speech" "less precise than an adult modern human’s, perhaps more like that of a 4–6 year-old, lacking fully quantal eehs and oohs". So think about how well you can understand your 5 year old son or daughter or nephew or niece when you think about the Neanderthals and late archaic Homo and speech (of course, I guess, adjusted for pitch and everything else).

(Evolution of the Human Head was not very favourable to the hypothesis of different hyoid bone positioning causing speech problems for Neanderthals and other earlier species of homo).
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Feb 28 2012, 07:52 PM
With quantal vowel production, I was reading Dan Lieberman's Evolution of the Human Head and its discussion of it, in the context of modern humans and Neanderthals and erectus (see page 322 onwards and page 587 onwards).

It seems like the its consensus on archaic vocal tracts is that their proportion, which is what is affecting their quantal vowel production, is perhaps comparable to a "4–6-year-old modern human’s" (the vocal tract does not "reach the adult proportion of 1:1 until age 6–8") and that "does not rule out the possibility that archaic Homo could speak or had sophisticated language, but it does suggest slightly less articulate (quantal) speech" "less precise than an adult modern human’s, perhaps more like that of a 4–6 year-old, lacking fully quantal eehs and oohs". So think about how well you can understand your 5 year old son or daughter or nephew or niece when you think about the Neanderthals and late archaic Homo and speech (of course, I guess, adjusted for pitch and everything else).

(Evolution of the Human Head was not very favourable to the hypothesis of different hyoid bone positioning causing speech problems for Neanderthals and other earlier species of homo).
If they clone can I have a neanderthal for myself as a pet.. :love: I mean ,a miniature one :biggrin:
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Feb 29 2012, 01:52 PM
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Feb 28 2012, 07:52 PM
With quantal vowel production, I was reading Dan Lieberman's Evolution of the Human Head and its discussion of it, in the context of modern humans and Neanderthals and erectus (see page 322 onwards and page 587 onwards).

It seems like the its consensus on archaic vocal tracts is that their proportion, which is what is affecting their quantal vowel production, is perhaps comparable to a "4–6-year-old modern human’s" (the vocal tract does not "reach the adult proportion of 1:1 until age 6–8") and that "does not rule out the possibility that archaic Homo could speak or had sophisticated language, but it does suggest slightly less articulate (quantal) speech" "less precise than an adult modern human’s, perhaps more like that of a 4–6 year-old, lacking fully quantal eehs and oohs". So think about how well you can understand your 5 year old son or daughter or nephew or niece when you think about the Neanderthals and late archaic Homo and speech (of course, I guess, adjusted for pitch and everything else).

(Evolution of the Human Head was not very favourable to the hypothesis of different hyoid bone positioning causing speech problems for Neanderthals and other earlier species of homo).
If they clone can I have a neanderthal for myself as a pet.. :love: I mean ,a miniature one :biggrin:
Do you realise how dirty that sounds?
But maybe you just invented a new porn genre: The neanderthal dwarf slaves of Dr. [insert porn name]
If you take anything in this forum overly serious, you should really go and see a doctor.
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They were already shorter than us. Poor neanderthals.
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Feb 29 2012, 03:04 PM
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Feb 29 2012, 01:52 PM
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Feb 28 2012, 07:52 PM
With quantal vowel production, I was reading Dan Lieberman's Evolution of the Human Head and its discussion of it, in the context of modern humans and Neanderthals and erectus (see page 322 onwards and page 587 onwards).

It seems like the its consensus on archaic vocal tracts is that their proportion, which is what is affecting their quantal vowel production, is perhaps comparable to a "4–6-year-old modern human’s" (the vocal tract does not "reach the adult proportion of 1:1 until age 6–8") and that "does not rule out the possibility that archaic Homo could speak or had sophisticated language, but it does suggest slightly less articulate (quantal) speech" "less precise than an adult modern human’s, perhaps more like that of a 4–6 year-old, lacking fully quantal eehs and oohs". So think about how well you can understand your 5 year old son or daughter or nephew or niece when you think about the Neanderthals and late archaic Homo and speech (of course, I guess, adjusted for pitch and everything else).

(Evolution of the Human Head was not very favourable to the hypothesis of different hyoid bone positioning causing speech problems for Neanderthals and other earlier species of homo).
If they clone can I have a neanderthal for myself as a pet.. :love: I mean ,a miniature one :biggrin:
Do you realise how dirty that sounds?
But maybe you just invented a new porn genre: The neanderthal dwarf slaves of Dr. [insert porn name]

So you took such a random joke serious?
Puch a pillow or meditate if you are feeling tense,instead messing with people on forums .I ignored you on forum for sake of my mental health. No need to waste time on nonsense aggressivity.
/meh..
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Feb 29 2012, 01:52 PM

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Do you realise how dirty that sounds?
But maybe you just invented a new porn genre: The neanderthal dwarf slaves of Dr. [insert porn name]

So you took such a random joke serious?
Puch a pillow or meditate if you are feeling tense,instead messing with people on forums .I ignored you on forum for sake of my mental health. No need to waste time on nonsense aggressivity.
/meh..
You maybe ignore me now but you did not ignore me. Otherwise you could not have responded;)
Besides that complaining that somebody does not get a joke when the answer was obviously a joke too is lame.
If you take anything in this forum overly serious, you should really go and see a doctor.
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Mar 1 2012, 02:53 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep[insert porn name]

So you took such a random joke serious?
Puch a pillow or meditate if you are feeling tense,instead messing with people on forums .I ignored you on forum for sake of my mental health. No need to waste time on nonsense aggressivity.
/meh..
You maybe ignore me now but you did not ignore me. Otherwise you could not have responded;)
Besides that complaining that somebody does not get a joke when the answer was obviously a joke too is lame.
ok I am very sorry ...my bad.. :redface:
wish you put some emoticons ..(need sarcasm sign)
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If we have the means to clone Neanderthal then maybe we should, including extinct animals... and some ancient Egyptians. A lot of questions would definitely be answered
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If we have the means to clone Neanderthal then maybe we should, including extinct animals... and some ancient Egyptians. A lot of questions would definitely be answered
Lol... +1...
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It would be cool, so yeah I would support it.

I also wonder how the Denisovans looked like. Scientists should clone Denisovans as well.
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I find it absolutely hilarious and hysterical that Anthroscape (As politically incorrect as it likes to boast) would look past the OBVIOUS neanderthal qualities in many Jewish people. You idiots would be analysing photos of people with Acromegaly or radiation deformities before you ever acknowledge the latter.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/
They say there is a 1-4% genetic sequence passed on to us from the neanderthals and that all non-african populations have this neanderthal genes in them...Restoring the neanderthal would mean trying to reverse evolution. Early Humans and Neanderthals shared the same territories until somewhat like 20000 years ago. The ones that warded off humans were driven to extinction, the ones that mixed with humans were gradually absorbed into the modern human genotype. I think their disappearance was due to being sought after as mating companions for their hardiness, stronger more robust build in the more demanding climate of Europe rather than being forced into isolation. Only the ones that rejected the humans may have ended like so. As for their habits there were found proof of early religious practices, inhumation, they also built settlements, i read somewhere in the past, that in a region between Moldova and Ukraine there were found neanderthal settlements, sanctuaries made out of mammoth tusks due to the scarcity of wood. I don't know what could have turned early humans "racist" against the neanderthals or the other way.
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Maybe we should be asking if the cloned would be given the rights we enjoy. It would hardly be ethical to imprison them without justification, or use them to slice up to experiment on.
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I wonder if they could also have enough to work with to be able to clone older Homo species like erectus or something
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