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Transsexuals and Transvestites - more men are attracted to them than you think
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I'm not presuming people on here are naive. Some of you may know already *have trans friends etc* but it is a growing trend for straight men to diverge into their fantasies and start admiring trans girls. I have alot of research information which has all concluded with the fact that most guys who admire t girls, their reasons are:

"because alot of woman these days dont try to be sexy and we miss it"

"i think they try extra hard to look their best
alot of girls dont do that these days
its nice when a girl wants to look nice"


"over in north america alot of girls try to be assertive like men
and its to the point where they are dressing and acting like them in alot of ways"

obviously their is the factor of genetalia.

this is the complicated part, because there are some guys who love t girls but ignore the penis when engaged in sex. they just love the hyper femininity of the t girl. some are indifferent and see it as just a sexual organ and have no problem. others specifically prefer the male genetalia over the female genitals, but dont like the male physique or "soul"


this word "soul" is important because it is what defines you as gay or straight in my eyes. if you are attracted to the female spirit/soul/essence, you are straight, even if the girl you are with was born with a male body. her heart and mind is a womans. if you are attracted to a male soul/spirit/essence, you are gay because you are attracted to the male personality characteristics. which is why i have been attracted to lesbians who have hyper masculine male behaviour patterns and ways of acting/thinking despite not being attracted to women.

another obvious example is a gay guy would in most cases never sleep with a transsexual, despite her "being a man" in the eyes of some closed minded people


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"despite her "being a man" in the eyes of some closed minded people"

am I closed minded to think a man born biologically man, but changed artificially into something else, is still a man?
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If a man is attracted to a transsexual he is gay. This thing of the soul being feminine or masculine is confusing. Your soul should go with your body. To me if you feel like you have a feminine soul but a masculine body you have some kind of confusion and I believe its called by psychologists as "gender-identity disorder." Why are certain traits seen as masculine or feminine anyway? That's B.S. A man can be sensitive just like women. Men don't express their emotions that much not because they don't have them but because they have been socialized to not cry and take things like a man.
Edited by Delilah, Dec 15 2009, 10:13 PM.
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Interesting topic. It generates contrasted opinions.
Is he gay, the man who falls in love with a male-to-female transsexual? Not so sure, if the TS person looks like a natural woman and behaves with utter womanliness. Then comes the time of revelation (revelation… shiver, mortals!) if the two of them start to get really emotionally involved. Either they haven't had sex yet, or the man hasn't detected anything if intercourse(s) happened. The guy's attitude can be shock and rejection because he cannot live with the idea that this woman has XY chromosomes like him, or because of the image he constructs in his mind about what she looked like as a male. Or he can question his own sexuality, which I deem a psychological error on himself, since he is not attracted by men, but by a person that he views as an attractive woman. It's all a question of personal choice, and I think that gayness may or may not be involved, depending on the persons concerned.
Sex reassignment surgery is outstandingly complex in terms of urologic, genital, neurologic, dermatologic and vascular surgery. Although I'm interested in medicine, I've never watched one on the Net because it's too long. I've read that competent specialists operate during at least seven hours in order to provide not only anatomically satisfying results, but also good nerve-connections to induce sensations, a good vascularity reducing significantly the risks of necrosis, and to ensure the absence of urinary problems. Surgeons who perform the intervention in two hours just botch their work. It is said that a successful operation can truly fool a man, even a seasoned womanizer.
I'm not a womanizer, but at my age I've had my amount of flings and now that I think of it, thanks to this thread, I can't be one hundred percent sure that I never had sex with a transsexual. And if I learned that it did happen, I couldn't care less and I wouldn't yell "A shrink! My kingdom for a shrink! I'm traumatized and I need help and reassurance that I'm not gay!"
Concerning non-operated transsexuals, even with hormones, fake breasts, great bodies and beautiful faces, it's another story, certainly more difficult to manage in case of an emotional involvement, owing to the presence of analogous sex-organs. The following reasoning can be followed "well, if one likes a woman with a very big clitoris…". No, okay, I'm joking and it's not even funny. Even in that case, I think that attraction itself doesn't necessary mean gayness, but the completion of sexual acts with a non-operated TS is certainly a more confuse case regarding the male partner's sexual orientation. Or, possibly, it can be a case of unconditional love (blind love) that enables him to turn her biological reality into an abstraction. Another hypothesis is the research of a mirror-pleasure with someone who neurologically experiences exactly the same kind of orgasm, a phallic woman, whereas finding the idea of bedding a true man (with muscles, body hair, facial masculinity, etc.) unbearable, which could be seen at the same time as a variant of full-fledged homosexuality and of clear-cut heterosexuality, why not call it an alter-sexuality, if I may say so.
I'm not a psychologist but I think that this subject hoards heaps of elements to analyze.
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Uttering the Charm of Making, wielding a star-stone of Mnar with the right hand and doing in turn the signs of Voor, Kish, Koth and of the Elder Gods with the left hand, makes time-travel possible. My star-stone was destroyed and the Old Lore's might has dwindled. Sad and dull is my life nowadays. Sundry sullen thoughts. Farley Bryce, Antiquus Esotericusque Ordo Dagonis.
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In my view there is no such thing as a bi-sexual. If one has intercourse with a member of the same sex, then its being a homo plainly.

To find out one slept with someone with a sex change and that person didnt say anything, one would be justified in my view if they break a bottle over its head. Thats pretty screwed up.

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Dec 23 2009, 08:35 AM
In my view there is no such thing as a bi-sexual. If one has intercourse with a member of the same sex, then its being a homo plainly.

To find out one slept with someone with a sex change and that person didnt say anything, one would be justified in my view if they break a bottle over its head. Thats pretty screwed up.

I agree with you when it comes to men, but I think women can be bisexual; most women are in fact, since most of them are attracted to both men and women. Studies have shown that when shown erotic imagery of their own gender, most women show arousal activity in their brains whereas only about 2% of men are aroused when looking at erotic pictures of men, which is correlated with the 2% of gay men that exist on average in a country. Men who claim to be bisexual are just gays who want to have it both ways; they want a wife and kids like normal society expects them to have, meanwhile sleeping with men on the side.
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gelaye, why do you put transsexuals and transvestites in the same category ("t girls")? They are not the same thing. Transvestites often have this exaggerated, "ultra-feminine", sometimes burlesque kind of look and behavior. However, most women ( = those who are biologically female) don't behave that way, and in fact I'm prone to believe that most male-to-female transsexuals do everything they can in order to be able to blend in with "ordinary" women ( = biological females) and thus avoid the exaggerated style that many transvestites have.
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CG and Berserk, I tend to agree with the conception that bisexuality, if being a rather cloudy condition creating no less cloudy consequences in a person's private life, leans more onto the side of homo- than hetero-sexuality.
What I wrote in my post, which I didn't intend to make so lengthy, was in fact a bunch of thoughts inspired by Gelaye's and Delilah's interventions. I'm neither a doctor of medicine nor a clinician psychologist, and not a specialist of gender reassignment, but as someone having a layman's interest in science, including medicine and surgery, I'm slightly familiar with the strictly medical aspects of SRS, a surgical challenge and, when done with proficiency, a medical tour-de-force. I don't know what scientific debate Gelaye wanted to start by opening this thread, but now that I look back over his post, I see that I read it a little hastily and focused more specifically on a certain aspect of its theme, that is, affective (or romantic) attraction between a man and a woman then the discovery that the lady is an operated transsexual, after certain bonds have already been tied, whereas G. seems to evoke (at least, as I now understand it) the case when the man already knows whom he is bonding with and being intimate with, namely a non-operated TS.
Gelaye's and Delilah's express differing standpoints about this "feminine soul / masculine soul" notion and their diverging perception leads them to draw dissimilar conclusions about, let's say, the gayness aspect of such situations. Since I understood (hence approached) the topic under a different angle, I believe that the human mind being utterly complicated, and the most powerful sexual organ being the brain, developing a romantic relationship with someone that modern medicine totally transformed into a woman then finding out the reality, and not being able to stop the emotions towards this person just like you turn off a water-faucet, doesn't make you gay. Concerning simple short-term or ultra-short-term liaisons, "flings" as they are called colloquially, hiding a trans-sex condition doesn't seem a crime to my eyes, and I maintain that if I learned, after one of these flings, that the hypothetical Cindy Crawford lookalike that I bedded was born a boy, I would not want to bash her brains out, or be upset, or need psychiatric assistance, or question my sexual orientation.
This being said, fully consciously having a long-term relationship with an "intermediate" TS (non-op) who wishes to remain in-between, what I called a phallic woman (the term came out like this, but I don't think I invented it, I must have read it once, it's too professional a term, too "psychoanalytic" for my own skills) raises questions about the guy's libido. But what two consenting adults do together is not my business.
Anáil naþrach, urð'vás beþöd, do'chiel díenvë.
Uttering the Charm of Making, wielding a star-stone of Mnar with the right hand and doing in turn the signs of Voor, Kish, Koth and of the Elder Gods with the left hand, makes time-travel possible. My star-stone was destroyed and the Old Lore's might has dwindled. Sad and dull is my life nowadays. Sundry sullen thoughts. Farley Bryce, Antiquus Esotericusque Ordo Dagonis.
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Without modern medicine all these possibilities for people to transgender wouldnt exist. Hence it is antinatural and just a consequence of "the times".

Gays there´s always been since ancient times, I never had anything against gays unless they start making too much fuzz about their private sexual life. Giving extreme importance to sex in life shows an imbalance, it would be like feeling identified with the way you take a piss or something of the sort. I think in a balanced healthy society gays would be given rights to do whatever they want in their privacy but nothing else, no special treatment or allowance to be publicaly obscene.

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I think all those terms are too much solid and ambiguous.
Numerous (old) studies indicate that most men are bisexual. It was widely practioned in the Antiquity to sleep with the same sex. Sexuality was even educated that way. Many men had homosexual relationships but the vast majority of them would have never thought about starting a family with them (I mean, a male couple adopting an orphan). Male-Male sex was usually regarded as casual and was not a big problem for the wife either.

I just postulate that most people are bisexual from the beginning but usually lean more into one of the directions. I have heard homosexual desires already from many people who live in relationships with females and also don't want to change that. There was a lot of research about that in the middle of the last century in America. While that means that most males who identify as heterosexual also have little or even bigger interest in homosexual encounters sometimes but it, of course, also means that those labelling themselves homosexual often deny their heterosexual urges.

Sexuality is just more complex than those labels.
Another example is my asexuality. I have zero desire to have sex and do not find any person sexually attractive but still I want to have a romantic relationship. Because I do not find any gender attractive, it would be logical to look at both genders but I don't. It might be just a conservative attitude or the idea of somewhen wanting to have children. Some part might be plain rationality,too. It is easier to find an asexual or low-libido female than to find such a male.
If you take anything in this forum overly serious, you should really go and see a doctor.
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@Toilet man I don't know but maybe you're traumatic experience contributed to the asexuality. I don't believe you can just turn off sexual desire. It's there but things like depression can affect it and blunt it. Romance and sex just go hand in hand.
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@Toilet man I don't know but maybe you're traumatic experience contributed to the asexuality. I don't believe you can just turn off sexual desire. It's there but things like depression can affect it and blunt it. Romance and sex just go hand in hand.
My traumatic experience was in July. And I have been asexual for all my life. Already before my depression and long before my rape. But you are right. One cannot just turn off sexual desires. I just don't have sexual desires at all. Really never had any. I tried a lot to experience it atleast once like additional testosterone replacement therapy, ecstasy, exercise, trying to imagine sex, looking at nude female pictures other men find highly attractive and in the end, somebody almost all men stared after wanted to have sex with me. There was completely no desire for it although this nude female was already sitting on me. Unfortunately, she did not listen to my loud NO and pressed me down so I could not escape. That was this rape she referred to.

But yes, it changed something in me. Before, I still thought I would somewhen try to have sex with somebody if I have a good opportunity in the future. However, I don't want that anymore.
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I think your problem is that you haven't found someone to intellectually challenge you. For me that is the biggest turn on.
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^ That makes sense. Attraction is not all physical.
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Well,people who can give can challenge me intelectually do infact attract me, but they do not make me horny or desire to sleep with them. Just met one female who could and she was also the one I later began to love. But where to find more of that kind of girls? University was not a good place to since many of them those extraordinarily "gifted" (rather cursed) girls are outsiders and very shy. They want company but they don't like the stuff their peers do. It's atleast what I experienced from the numerous highly intellectual ( which has absolutely nothing to do with grades) females I've found so far.
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^ Tough, we are rare and it is hard enough for us to find mind mates as well. Just wait till u debate then you just want to rip the other's clothes off.
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@toiletman, you just have to keep searching till you find someone who has the right combination of what you're looking for. LOL at the debate thing.
Edited by Delilah, Dec 23 2009, 11:27 PM.
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@toiletman, you just have to keep searching till you find someone who has the right combination of what you're looking for. LOL at the debate thing.
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LOL, there were very few of those I had those debates of but never wanted to rip off their clothes lol. I'm just asexual. I could have sex theoretically. I was never sure if the errection part is possible but getting raped showed me it is possible. If I really find such a girl who then also loves me, I think it is okay to pay the price to sleep with her like once a week. Those type of girls usually have a rather small libido,too.

I have kind of problems with the only one I ever loved. She does not answer to my emails anymore. I have really no idea why. We had no arguments or so she just stopped within discussing topics. That happened at my birthday last year. Still trying to get her back through writing an email all few weeks with different approaches. We were friends for many years before and often talked like 10 or more hours a day....
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I don´t know man, I remember liking girls since I have memory ( around 3 years old) I remember the exact girls I fell in love when I was a little kid. I remember being in kindergarden and being totally crazy about this blonde girl with curly hair. My life has always been the same, Im not an alpha male so girls never payed me much attention, I got lucky sporadically and thats it.

But I can assure you I never had any homosexual feelings, and my mother is very liberal, she would have never tried to manipulate me ( and I don´t think at 3 years old I could be manipulated anyways).

When I was older many times I slept in the same bed with my buddies when we would stay to sleep at each other´s houses and I never had any sort of sexual body reaction to being around them( which I did have when their sisters would be around). So based on all this data I´d say either your theory of everyone being bisexual is wrong or Im some sort of exception to the rule.

Ps: maybe what you people who hold these kind of theories are trying to imply is that humans can be sexually aroused by anyone ( or anything for that matter ) which could be correct, maybe you can cover a girl´s eyes get another girl to stimulate her sexually and she will be aroused, which means nothing because attraction is something that doesn´t come from the body but from the mind, the body is a blind beast, only the human mind is what gives it a higher consciousness. If you are attracted to one sex irrevocably since you are a child you know what your true sexuality is, anything that comes afterwards is induced by some external influence.
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